Greatings from Israel

[Pallamanski]

Cheer up bros!

Next season changes in CL tournament will be effective! That means 22 teams will qualify directly plus 5 champions will enter the tournament by sepperate route.

This means Wisla wont face third place teams from Spain, Italy etc. but champions like Beitar or Dinamo Zagreb on the final step before the group stage...

Platini undertook this new changes because Champions League doesn't have enough... Champions

[Bjerusalem]

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl...id=736447.html

is it true that he will miss the game against us? if yes, he is important player for your team or you have a good replacement for him?

[gdsmk]

TVP2 is the name. They could put the game on iTVP.pl afterwards (I wouldn't be sure though), but not live.

u cannot watch ITVP streams from outside Poland, so it's nothing to him.
go to soccer-live.pl if u want to watch Wisla - Beitar, Mr Eshtaga.
Check - poniedzialek-piatek on the right side -> http://soccer-live.pl/transmisje.php?id=pon-pia

it will be there for sure from monday i think

[WILU TS]

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl...id=736447.html is it true that he will miss the game against us? if yes, he is important player for your team or you have a good replacement for him?

No we don't have good replacement for Him,You won with Us 10-0 in Kraków and we afraid to much of Your support

[Bjerusalem]

No we don't have good replacement for Him,You won with Us 10-0 in Kraków and we afraid to much of Your support

wohoo, you are so funny. damn, You should start take this job as comedian very seriously. "you won with us" and after you say why our English skills are so bad ( and my english is pretty suck tbh ) - you're pathetic.

now seriously, can I get an answer if he will play or NOT 100% ?

[timmy]

@Bjerusalem: No, Arek won't play against you

[Pallamanski]

wohoo, you are so funny. damn, You should start take this job as comedian very seriously. "you won with us" and after you say why our English skills are so bad ( and my english is pretty suck tbh ) - you're pathetic. now seriously, can I get an answer if he will play or NOT 100% ?

Please - do not come to our forum and call some one pathetic! You are a guest here!

On the other hand you can come to Krakow and say we're pathetic right in our faces - this will show you really mean it

On the other-other hand you shouldn't... cause Wisla fans do not tolerate insults!

Btw Glowacki is out Junior Diaz will replace him

[Bjerusalem]

Please - do not come to our forum and call some one pathetic! You are a guest here! On the other hand you can come to Krakow and say we're pathetic right in our faces - this will show you really mean it On the other-other hand you shouldn't... cause Wisla fans do not tolerate insults! Btw Glowacki is out Junior Diaz will replace him

I know that I'm a guest over here, but you should give atleast minor respect to your guests. I'm not starting to insults or flame you, but some of your fans start and you can see that, plus they sent me mails and so on, and that is quite disapointed.

I'm sure the ones who will fly to Krakow will do what ever they know and want without really afraid from your "hooligans", you can always try it out and see what will happen so please do not start with this silly threaten.

About This Diaz, he left wisla to french team at the beginning of the season no? or probably it's other player o0.

[Mishuh]

I know that I'm a guest over here, but you should give atleast minor respect to your guests. I'm not starting to insults or flame you, but some of your fans start and you can see that, plus they sent me mails and so on, and that is quite disapointed. I'm sure the ones who will fly to Krakow will do what ever they know and want without really afraid from your "hooligans", you can always try it out and see what will happen so please do not start with this silly threaten. About This Diaz, he left wisla to french team at the beginning of the season no? or probably it's other player o0.

I'm not sure if the ones who will fly to Krakow are aware of what is going on here. I know I am talking to Israelis here, people who live at risk 24/7, but still... I definately am not a hooligan, but wouldn't advice boasting around the city. Not after the mess you did here. ("you" refers to some Beitar fans, not all).

The player you mean who left to France is Dudka. Diaz is relatively fresh and though he has never shown world-class ksills, he has proven to have potential.

[Bjerusalem]

I'm not sure if the ones who will fly to Krakow are aware of what is going on here. I know I am talking to Israelis here, people who live at risk 24/7, but still... I definately am not a hooligan, but wouldn't advice boasting around the city. Not after the mess you did here. ("you" refers to some Beitar fans, not all). The player you mean who left to France is Dudka. Diaz is relatively fresh and though he has never shown world-class ksills, he has proven to have potential.

First of all, Be sure I'm more safety and chilling than you, so please don't listen to all the media who is writing bullshit about israel. I have no idea what you are talking about and which mess some Beitar fans did - please explain more about that, Because our fans fly will get to Krakow only one day/few hours before the match. but maybe this is your opponent that try to make "provocation", I seriously hope all this opponents fans of yours won't buy tickets to Beitar seats.

[Mishuh]

First of all, Be sure I'm more safety and chilling than you, so please don't listen to all the media who is writing bullshit about israel. I have no idea what you are talking about and which mess some Beitar fans did - please explain more about that, Because our fans fly will get to Krakow only one day/few hours before the match. but maybe this is your opponent that try to make "provocation", I seriously hope all this opponents fans of yours won't buy tickets to Beitar seats.

I realize Israel isn't living at state of emergency all the time, don't worry. But still you must admit you have a pretty unstable situation compared to the rest of the world.
Mess- I don't think of provocations by Cracovia, haven't heard of any. But the videoclips of Wisla crest being pissed on and other images, death threats- it doesn't work on Beitar's advantage Maybe in Israel cursing rivals all the time is seen as normal, in Poland some people tend to take it seriously.
I see no chance of Cracovia buying tickets to your section. Maybe, but only maybe if your club asked for some tickets for Polish fans (like maybe Jewish minority or something) it could be possible, but still I don't see that happening.

[f-c-b-j]

hello, I'm new user and fan of Beitar such as you see.
I want to ask you a few questions :

1. How many places your stadium is comprise?
2.Who is gonna be the substitute instead of Głowacki that suffered in the first game against Beitar ?
3. What do you think about the fans of Beitar?
4.Is it you think the draw in friday will influence in the next game ?

[Mało Słodyczy]

Tshiki, kalba.


We have some rules here. I know that in your country sth like rules and orderliness don't exist but this is polish site and don't forget that.
It's english forum and we write english here.
If you dont, youre out.

[DBJM-lions]

I realize Israel isn't living at state of emergency all the time, don't worry. But still you must admit you have a pretty unstable situation compared to the rest of the world. Mess- I don't think of provocations by Cracovia, haven't heard of any. But the videoclips of Wisla crest being pissed on and other images, death threats- it doesn't work on Beitar's advantage Maybe in Israel cursing rivals all the time is seen as normal, in Poland some people tend to take it seriously. I see no chance of Cracovia buying tickets to your section. Maybe, but only maybe if your club asked for some tickets for Polish fans (like maybe Jewish minority or something) it could be possible, but still I don't see that happening.

Life here is not like it seems on the news, it is acually great living here, i would never leave israel.
The whole middle east situation is unstable for decades we got used to it.

Media here has been talking about the clips on youtube as well and all those provocations.
To be truthful the first "dirty" clip came from Wisla's fans side.

These bullshit talks about who has bigger balls and who are crazier should calm down. Almost anywhere in the world you shouldn't make to much noise and provocations when you are a guest somewhere because no one from the local side will tolerate that.
Your fans behaved in Jerusalem so everything went smooth and clear. Our secret services did a quiet and great job as well keeping our fans off your fans and players.

We dont need Cracovia's support or anyone, we are Beitar and we walk fearless anywhere in the world to support our team.
Respect brings respect, foolishness brings chaos.

D.

[Shandorp]

it's not jewish forum...

Hebraw we are Jewish but we speak and write in Hebraw

[f-c-b-j]

Tshiki, kalba. We have some rules here. I know that in your country sth like rules and orderliness don't exist but this is polish site and don't forget that. It's english forum and we write english here. If you dont, youre out.

ok, I'm sorry.
now could you answer my questions please?

1. How many places your stadium is comprise?
2.Who is gonna be the substitute instead of Głowacki that suffered in the first game against Beitar ?
3. What do you think about the fans of Beitar?
4.Is it you think the draw in friday will influence in the next game ?

[Mishuh]

Media here has been talking about the clips on youtube as well and all those provocations. To be truthful the first "dirty" clip came from Wisla's fans side.

Could you find it and show here or private message?

Hebraw we are Jewish but we speak and write in Hebraw

Yeah, and who speaks Hebraw? Jews, so there was ntohign wrong with his words.

1. How many places your stadium is comprise? 2.Who is gonna be the substitute instead of Głowacki that suffered in the first game against Beitar ? 3. What do you think about the fans of Beitar? 4.Is it you think the draw in friday will influence in the next game ?

1. 15 393 (loss of some 5 000 compared to last year)
2. I would say probably Junior Diaz
3. On the internet- overexcited kids, inside the stadium- decent, but nothing really impressive.
4. It had a negative influence on me, one team I didn't want to draw looking at the list before was Barcelona. Earlier I had the same with Beitar...

[DBJM-lions]

Could you find it and show here or private message? Yeah, and who speaks Hebraw? Jews, so there was ntohign wrong with his words. 1. 15 393 (loss of some 5 000 compared to last year) 2. I would say probably Junior Diaz 3. On the internet- overexcited kids, inside the stadium- decent, but nothing really impressive. 4. It had a negative influence on me, one team I didn't want to draw looking at the list before was Barcelona. Earlier I had the same with Beitar...

What do you want me to show you? the youtube clips or media articles?

And BTW he is right; you saying to him that he speaks "jewish" is like i tell you that you speak "christian" or speak "muslim" or whatever.
In Israel we speak Hebrew just like in Belgium they speak Flamish (vlaams) for example.

[Mishuh]

What do you want me to show you? the youtube clips or media articles? And BTW he is right; you saying to him that he speaks "jewish" is like i tell you that you speak "christian" or speak "muslim" or whatever. In Israel we speak Hebrew just like in Belgium they speak Flamish (vlaams) for example.

Anything (but not in herbrew maybe )
And no, Shandorp is not correct, nor are you. Don Providence said, "this is not a Jewish forum", he didn't refer to any kiind of "Jewish language", but to Jews, who speak Hebrew.If he said, "this is not a Belgian forum" it would be obvious, he doesn't approve of people using French or Flamish here, cause we don't understand it.

[DBJM-lions]

Anything (but not in herbrew maybe ) And no, Shandorp is not correct, nor are you. Don Providence said, "this is not a Jewish forum", he didn't refer to any kiind of "Jewish language", but to Jews, who speak Hebrew.If he said, "this is not a Belgian forum" it would be obvious, he doesn't approve of people using French or Flamish here, cause we don't understand it.

Well all media articles here are in hebrew besides a few newspapers in English that i myself dont read, and you can search on youtube for the clips (not hard to find), although i think there was an order to take the provocative clips off youtube (yours and ours) but i dont know if they did that yet.

[Shandorp]

Its so funny that Wisla fans are so sure they are going to win. When facing a game like that is a good idea to look at betting sites to see the odds. Beitar VS Wisla Beitar Win --2.05 Draw --3.20 Wisla Win --3.40

Ok i will be fair (i know Wisla fans will like it) this is the Wisla Beitar game odds:
Wisla Win --1.7
Draw--3.65
Beitar Win--4.8

I HOPE YOY WIN 3:2

[dj_ibutti]

It's good that yours players are going to visit Auschwitz. Maybe they (and You too) will finally find out, that Poles also died there and it's really not "polish camp". Quite important knowledge...

[MatixNH]

It's good that yours players are going to visit Auschwitz. Maybe they (and You too) will finally find out, that Poles also died there and it's really not "polish camp". Quite important knowledge...

I agree Ibutti because "Polish Camp" it's said like we were killing these people,not germans ;//

[Shandorp]

It's good that yours players are going to visit Auschwitz. Maybe they (and You too) will finally find out, that Poles also died there and it's really not "polish camp". Quite important knowledge...

Most of the Israelis has been in Auschwitz (as grown up or teens) and we know our history (my grandfather was from Krakow but didnt play for Cracovia ) in my grandfather case after he was deported from karkow an old polish widow help him to escape the nazis (He didnt manage to help his first wife and son and they was killed by the nazis)
but still and i am not tring to insult you he cursed the polish pepole each they he lived (I truly dosnt want to Insult no one).
I do know that a lot of polish pepole died and a lot of them help Jews in WWII but stil a lot of them help the nazis to carry on the diabolical plan they had.

[Mishuh]

I do know that a lot of polish pepole died and a lot of them help Jews in WWII but stil a lot of them help the nazis to carry on the diabolical plan they had.

yeah, our people had nothign better to do than just help them... think twice next time before writing anythign like this

[spoxgreq]

Shandorp: If you're talking again about the history of our nations during the IInd WW I'm just going to remind you about something called "Chasid Umot ha-Olam". You should know that out of 20 thousand ppl honoured by it, nearly 7 thousand are Poles. You'll always and everywhere find ppl who HATE, who are eagerly looking forward only to make money out of somebody's misery and death (and no hard feelings but your nation should know what I mean very well indeed). But you SHOULD ALL REMEMBER taht every single act of support towards Jews was punished by DEATH and not only to a person who helped but to all his or her family as well. It was annihilation. IN SPITE OF THAT, thousands of ppl risked lives of theirs and their families to help your compatriots. THerefore I get sick when I hear your blabber about 'bad Poles who helped nazis to exterminate Jews to get their money' because as I've already mentioned everything may happen in such times but taking capitalised excerpts into consideration I think that you can only be extremely fuckin grateful and that is all.

You may have a look at this as well - Completely unselfish acts of help just to another human
http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/list.htm

BTW what does 'teddy' mean? Is it kind of abbreviation or sth? Or slang exp.?

[Pablooo]

BTW what does 'teddy' mean? Is it kind of abbreviation or sth? Or slang exp.?

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Kollek

[MrEshtaga]

how many tickets have you sell until now

[White Mountain Man]

Greetings all Poles, Israelis and whatever in between

I have been enjoyably reading this thread since the day of the 2nd Qual. Round draw. I must say, this discussion caught my attention and has been rather amusing, enriching and entertaining for me. I thought maybe it's time i'd register and try paying a little contribution of my own to the discussion.

About Me:
A die-hard football fan

[DBJM-lions]

Shandorp: If you're talking again about the history of our nations during the IInd WW I'm just going to remind you about something called "Chasid Umot ha-Olam". You should know that out of 20 thousand ppl honoured by it, nearly 7 thousand are Poles. You'll always and everywhere find ppl who HATE, who are eagerly looking forward only to make money out of somebody's misery and death (and no hard feelings but your nation should know what I mean very well indeed). But you SHOULD ALL REMEMBER taht every single act of support towards Jews was punished by DEATH and not only to a person who helped but to all his or her family as well. It was annihilation. IN SPITE OF THAT, thousands of ppl risked lives of theirs and their families to help your compatriots. THerefore I get sick when I hear your blabber about 'bad Poles who helped nazis to exterminate Jews to get their money' because as I've already mentioned everything may happen in such times but taking capitalised excerpts into consideration I think that you can only be extremely fuckin grateful and that is all. You may have a look at this as well - Completely unselfish acts of help just to another human http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/list.htm BTW what does 'teddy' mean? Is it kind of abbreviation or sth? Or slang exp.?

Listen man, in every system there is good and bad, honest and curropted, nice and rude, trustworthy and backstabbing, intelligent and ignorrant etc etc etc you know what i mean.

BTW you talking about "Hasid Umot Olam" is very impressive and the facts are correct; in Poland, especially Krakow there is the largest number of people in the world that were helping jews during the holocaust and are defined as "Hasidey Umot Olam".
One of the most famous ones is Schindler (there is a doc film about that called Schindler's list) who was saving jews from being executed during the war.
Many people here should pop their ignorrance bubble and learn some facts.

(and no hard feelings but your nation should know what I mean very well indeed)

I hope you are not reffering to the Middle East situation, because if you are you have no clue.
I know that the corrupted news channels around the world make us look so evil and them as such victims but it is not like that at all.
The facts are that our bible says love, and their Koran says that if they kill there will be 70 virgins waiting for them in heaven.
They blow up innocent people, we attack their terrorist who chose to hide between civilians on purpose.
They blow themselfs up - no value for human lifes, our 18 year old kids are automaticcly recruited to the army to defend our country.
They kidnap one Israeli and ask for 1000 of their terrorists to be released by our forces. They hold us through the balls on that one because they know how much we value our brothers.
There is a famous drawing that explains my wordsl:


I really did not want to go into politics and all this crap, but i think ALL of the things i posted here are important facts for mankind to know, from WW2 (Hasidei Umot Olam) throughout middle east conflict.

BTW, Teddy stadium is named after Teddy Kolek who was one of Jerusalem's greatest Mayor's.
What is your stadium's name and meaning?