Greatings from Israel

[Pallamanski]

Our Forum offers unlimited access for everybody, including our rivals fans - unless they crash the gates or overstep the rules. But that refers both to the hosts and visitors, as well as the banning system which does not take nationality, religious or political affiliation and club colours into account. We don't have to be excessively hospitable, but does not mean we ought to be hostile, as there's no reason for it. The number of people participating in the discussion with our visitors proves your theory wrong.

I totally agree! Everyone should have opportunities to write with fans of Wisla Kraków. But most of the fans from Beitar Jerusalem was coming here being extremely offending and claiming Polish citizens to be Anti-semitic. Furthermore they dare to question how we support our team when they play MKS Cracovia Kraków! I don't want any outside minority to tell me how I should support my own team!

I don't come to Teddy Stadium and tell the Beitar fans that they can't sing songs about Palestinians and Arabs!

[dorotja]

most of the fans from Beitar Jerusalem was coming here being extremely offending

"Extremely offending" guys are no longer with us. You missed the first invasion and dozens of nasty threads in the Polish parts of our Forum. Believe me, it is not so bad in here.

[Pallamanski]

"Extremely offending" guys are no longer with us. You missed the first invasion and dozens of nasty threads in the Polish parts of our Forum. Believe me, it is not so bad in here.

Ok, sorry you are right. But none the less. I don't need a football club that are build on zionism to tell me how to support my team!

If they seek information about our team and our fans I will be happy to assist them.

[LS]

see you soon at teddy, ofc if you will come. guess you're a computer freak that know only talk behind computer and come to a game once a year, no? you're a joke.

It's very lite to say "Come to Us ect.". Belive me if Your country would be not in Asia (why the fuck You are in UEFA?!) there would be a lot of Wisła fan's on Your Teddy (also me if You want to ask).
It is not Our fault that You are living isolated at the end of the World. So please stop saying this bullshit about freak, jokes ect.

[DBJM-lions]

Ok, i think we should seperate between football and all other issues that have anything to do with politcs, racysm etc...
I am sure Polish domestic fans will not aprecciate Israeli fans being provocative in Poland, as we can be sure that Polish fans will be treated in a very hostile way in Israel if Pol's with provoce them, so this issue needs to be left aside hoping for 2 clean matches with neto football.

Please dont listen to little kiddies that sign up here and say how much hooligans they are, that is dumb behaviour and we should all be mature enough not to get angry by what a 15 year old writes on the web.

It is true that there are big parts of hostile hooligan Beitar fans, as i understand there are also parts of Wisla fans that are that way themselfs.

Lets just leave these facts to be as they are and make good relationships before the matches, no point in making fires for no reason.

Expecting to meet you guys soon, and wish you luck in everything that has to do with your team besides the matches agains Beitar.

Hope you guys cheer for us in Champions League groups phase, Be Ezrat Ha Shem (with gods help) and YALLA BEITAR!

[danielk]

I don't know exactly, but something around 50-100 million dollars.

he is mistaken.
if this was our budget we should play every year in champions league.
our budget it's around 100 millions shekels, something like 20 millions dollars.

[danielk]

All I can say is: What da fuck! I'll be happy to answer anything about Beitar Jerusalem. I am from Denmark and know everything about the Israelis from when they clashed FC Kopenhaga. There defence was shit in both games. Away from home Wisla should be careful. Keep main focus on concentration and discipline! Beitar knows how to attack at their stadium. Wisla will have good opportunities if they choose to play at Reymonta like they play in the Ekstraklasa. Fast and direct passing between attack and midfield. In Parken Stadium in Kopenhaga the Israelis where clearly outclashed! And I can't see why Wisla can't do the same! All in All... CONCENTRATION AND DISCIPLINE! And putting the chances into goals - then Wisla will play in 3rd round and I can finally return to Krakow!!

about this 2 games, your right.
in those games we had a completely new defense, today is 4 level better.
just remember that kopenhagen played in their league 3 matches, and our league started
in the middle of august.they had a big advantage because of that.

[Jay-Z]

I heard that Cracovia fans want to go with You(Beitar) to away sector on our stadium and that they are contacting You in this case. Is it true?



Cracovia Ultras in Wieliczka 2003

[DBJM-lions]

I heard that Cracovia fans want to go with You(Beitar) to away sector on our stadium and that they are contacting You in this case. Is it true? Cracovia Ultras in Wieliczka 2003

I didn't hear anything about that, not in our forum or anywhere.
All i heard about Cracovia is that they call themself Jews or something like that.
Can anyone please give me more info about that detail?

[gdsmk]

he is mistaken. if this was our budget we should play every year in champions league. our budget it's around 100 millions shekels, something like 20 millions dollars.

so this is not as much as they say in the media. Our budget is estimated at about 30mln PLN, which is about 14 mln dollars, and we all know that it's laughable amount in comparison to CL-playing clubs.

[danielk]

every year, the media all over the world is more and more pathetic.
they have to write something so they write garbage.

14-30 millions dollars it's not enough for a CL team, just look at ajax in holland,
very impressive young players, but not the same in their senior squad, and their budget
it's more then yours and ours.

in our "media" it's published today that your coach is going to train the national team, is it true?

[uuuyuuu]

Hi All,
I was following the thread in this forum and i just want to clear some things.

First lets start with the insults i dont have anything against the polish pepole but if someone will send me url for a a movie with nazies images in it(like some of your supportes did) i will take it as an insulte.
you can see this thread started with "greeting from israel"

Beitar budget is 150 milion new israeli shekels its about 42 milion amrican dolars or 28 milon uro.
Last seson we played FCK in the second round and lost in over time after they scored an away goal in teddy.
I think we played better then them in both games especially in teddy (they were very lucky).
Teddy is a very nice stadium with a great atmosphere the crowd is sitting near to the players and the acostic is wonderfull.
I dont think your teem can beet beitar not in krakov and especialy not in teddy.
i will be very surprised if you score at all.

[it]

in our "media" it's published today that your coach is going to train the national team, is it true?

That are only the press`s speculations.
They say about our coach and about five others too... :]

[Pablooo]

i will be very surprised if you score at all.

Haha.. You make me laugh,
thanks a lot

[KuKoC]

Hi All, I was following the thread in this forum and i just want to clear some things. First lets start with the insults i dont have anything against the polish pepole but if someone will send me url for a a movie with nazies images in it(like some of your supportes did) i will take it as an insulte.

What nazi images are you refering to? I've been following this topic since the begining and did not see any nazi symbols, nor did I ever see a nazi symbol at Wisla's stadium.
Wisla's fans like 99.9% of Poles never had nor currently have anything to do with nazis or neo-nazis.

Please back up your statement, and provide some links to where you've seen these.

[KuKoC]

i will be very surprised if you score at all.

And what makes you so confident? Has your or any other Israeli team played against a Polish team recently? Where do you get your comparisson from?
Or maybe you're just a cocky little bastard who spams our forum with his/her ignorance?

[Krissu]

About our "racism":
First of all You need to realise, that everywhere in Europe supporters call their opponents "Jews".
For instance Feyenoord Rotterdam supporters sing about Hamas and sending Jews to gas when playing against Ajax.
Another example:
Tottenham Hotspur call themselves Yids and so when playing Spurs Southend supporters sang „I'd rather be a Paki than a Jew”,
Chelsea: „Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz, Hitler's going to gas them again”
Arsenal: „We've got Cesc Fabregas, you yids are scared of gas”
What is more Chelsea Headhunters often use Totenkopf sign
http://www.geocities.com/zuluwarrior...eadhunters.gif
In Germany many teams sing about building a tunnel to Auschwitz (or building a subway - can't remember exacly).
I'm not saying that kind of behaviour is right, I'm not saying that Israeli people can't feel offended by this but You need to understand that there is a big difference between that situation and "real - life" racism or antisemitism.
In England they call it "terrace and stands racism" which has nothing to do with antisemitism. The sole purpose of such behavoiur is to offend the rival, not Israeli Nation.

Everywhere in Europe You'll see that kind of situations and Poland is no different I must admit, but You really need to realise that it is not against "real" Jews.

[samkal77]

Toady the media in Israel wrote about the budgets of the two teams. It was writen that Beitar holds a budget around 30 Millions Euro (i think that 25 is more accurate number) while Krakow have a 9 Millions Euro.

They made an interview with some players of your team (the newspaper sent a journalist to Austria). Your coach told him that he want to score in Jerusalem, that he's looking for a back defense player and more details about the Polish club.

The Journalist, David Ben Shimol, was impressed by the height of the Polish players. I don't understand that, by the official site, the average is 1.85m-1.80m, nothing special, but hey, David Ben Shimol is a very short and chubby man

samkal77

[uuuyuuu]

And what makes you so confident? Has your or any other Israeli team played against a Polish team recently? Where do you get your comparisson from? Or maybe you're just a cocky little bastard who spams our forum with his/her ignorance?

Ok the first movie i saw when i got into this forum is
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=vBhOPPjKIG4
Look it it and tell me if you dont see anti-Semitic images.
look carfully because maybe it become your way of life and you dont see it as anti-Semitic images any more.

Maybe i am a cocky little bastard but i think you are the ignorance.

[RHP]

Ok the first movie i saw when i got into this forum is http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=vBhOPPjKIG4 Look it it and tell me if you dont see anti-Semitic images. look carfully because maybe it become your way of life and you dont see it as anti-Semitic images any more.

"White Star Power". Surname Wisla it "White Star"
It walks about Cracovia, not real Jaws and Israel.

[dostuffca]

image - one image.
or maybe when there are more that a 1k polish people on the photo it's by definition anti-semitic?

[uuuyuuu]

Wisla ULTRAS: http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=n4OuRBekczQ http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=3LB2FF...eature=related http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=glA08lOMYGc http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=7i51EZ...eature=related http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=hiy-LM...eature=related Forza Wisla T Forza Wisla S Forza Wisla Champion is TS

Very nice the crowd is wonderfull
but i think beitar will stop the singing after 5 or 10 minutes

[samkal77]

image - one image. or maybe when there are more that a 1k polish people on the photo it's by definition anti-semitic?

Look, the image down here is a very ugly one. You claim it's against your rival team, Cracovia, and not something against Jews. I will not try to educate you. As i will not try to educate anyone else (there are racist people here in Israel too, unfortunately). I wish football will be less violent and the racism will vanished for good!!

http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?im...aultrasrg9.jpg

I'm a jewish person and i'm very (!!!) proud of that

Yet, there's no circumstances i think i'm better then other (or less then the other eather)

AS HUMAN BEINGS - WE R ALL EQUAL!!

samkal77

[danielk]

Everywhere in Europe You'll see that kind of situations and Poland is no different I must admit, but You really need to realize that it is not against "real" Jews.

i'am aware of that.
but put your self in our "shoes", would you really think that every one is smart enough to think like that,
or to realize it? unfortunately no.

the young fans of all the clubs in israel, not only the beitar fans, thinks that it's all against the jew people.

PS:
every one is angry because the high tickets cost(also me), this is because no one really want
to "fight" those ultras racist.this is what have been done in england, and in the last 2 euro....
think about that...

[!(Z)]

You can see everywhere anti semits symbols and it is the bigest problem in your country .

do czego to doszło -będziemy sie tłumaczyć typkom z Izraela z vlepek flag i szalików

[Daniel3]

he is mistaken. if this was our budget we should play every year in champions league. our budget it's around 100 millions shekels, something like 20 millions dollars.

100 million Shekels=20 million US dollars...?

bro, 1$=3.27 Shekels
so our budget - about 110 million Shekels=35 million Dollars.

[Beitar Jerusalem F.C.]

today Beitar will have the 1st mutch of the season at 7 PM(Israel time... i think 6 PM in your time...) aginst Anorthosis Famagusta FC(Cyprus[don't know how to write it ] champions)

[KuKoC]

Ok the first movie i saw when i got into this forum is http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=vBhOPPjKIG4 Look it it and tell me if you dont see anti-Semitic images. look carfully because maybe it become your way of life and you dont see it as anti-Semitic images any more. Maybe i am a cocky little bastard but i think you are the ignorance.

Are you talking about the jewish star being crossed out?
Well read my previous comments. The star has nothing to do with Jews from Israel, it is against the Cracovia fans who are called "jews", and they call themselves "jude gang". Therefore it is logical that since we don't like them we are anty Cracovia "jews", not the real Jews from Israel.
The phrase "White Star Power" has nothing to do with raciscm either. We are called "The Biala Gwiazda" what translates to "White Star". Therefore there is nothing racial or anti-semitic in that picture, but you obviously see what you want to see.

[KuKoC]

Besides, I don't see a reason why we should be explaining ourselves. We have our own traditions, and our own relations between fans, which you guys will never understand.
You guys are zionists, you hate Arabs, you hate other Jews who are different from you and nobody here is attacking you for your views. On another hand you guys come to our forum and you accuse us of being racist, anti-semites, and God knows what else. And all of that without even bothering to find out why Cracovia are the jews, and not willing to understand that there is a difference between a Cracovia jew and a real Israeli Jew. You all must understand that you are not better from other nations, you have no special reights, you are not "the choosen ones", and stop pulling out the anti-semitic card everytime someone's opinion is different from your own.
PEACE!!

[uuuyuuu]

Are you talking about the jewish star being crossed out? Well read my previous comments. The star has nothing to do with Jews from Israel, it is against the Cracovia fans who are called "jews", and they call themselves "jude gang". Therefore it is logical that since we don't like them we are anty Cracovia "jews", not the real Jews from Israel. The phrase "White Star Power" has nothing to do with raciscm either. We are called "The Biala Gwiazda" what translates to "White Star". Therefore there is nothing racial or anti-semitic in that picture, but you obviously see what you want to see.

I diidnt claim your anti-semitic (it could be i dont know) i just wanted to explain why we thought that at first
what can i think when the first thing i see is that image.
A. Its a Cracovia fans who called "jews"
B. Its an anti-Semitic image
C. all above

I will help you the answer is B (because we agreed i am a cocky little bastard and you are ignorance)