Greatings from Israel

[neri]

Flares ARE ILLEGAL in Poland as well, will you learn to read? People ARE searched at games, people DO GET stadium bans. And as much as you cannot accept it, our ultras are fantastic, while your seem to be... well just be.

well, how do you explain this photo?
if it's illegal, how did you manage to get all those flares into the stadium?
this situation can never happen in israel.

[Mishuh]

I know which team will win - us, but thanks anyway. see you soon at teddy, ofc if you will come. guess you're a computer freak that know only talk behind computer and come to a game once a year, no? you're a joke.

If only I were a mod... this would be a sweet ban. You have the right not to know, but this guy comes to Krakow regularly for home and away games. From Denmark. And it seems to me you're the one hanging around our forum for 2 days. So still talking about being "behind a computer"?
And it is his forum, cause he is a Wisla fan, that is the main criteria. In case you haven't noticed the avatar, like you missed his signature with the word BROENDBY before

well, how do you explain this photo? if it's illegal, how did you manage to get all those flares into the stadium? this situation can never happen in israel.

This is exceptional. It was a friendly game, so the rules of high risk games did not apply. It was a game celebrating Wisla's centenary (by the way, won against FC Sevilla, UEFA Cup holders. Just boasting a bit ).

[Beitar Jerusalem F.C.]

And, if u want to know, our fans r not so sure that we will get to 3rd round and beat Beitar. Not so easy, not so fast. But, what can I read in your opinion, you find your own not only about "King of Ultras" but the team of the best footballers in Europe.

Beitar's fans are also not sure about being at the 3rd round - we know that wisla is a good team.
all Beitar's fans, please stop argue with them, that's not why we are here...

[MatixNH]

mhh, you said you're from dk no? so why the fuck you're saying "our forum". I give a shit what you think about fans or ultra or any atmosphere, I compared to you ain't a kid that look for troubles and pay money for a ticket to see some pyrotechnics shit or a fans show. I come in order to cheer my team to WIN !!! wohoo, this is a threat? damn, now i'm scared as hell from you, please our hospitals cost alot of money - I will pay you money just don't hit me or stab me like you have done and killed 3 fans, you "hooligans". I ain't looking for any fight or troubles, I guess you are the ones who are looking for it. You saw me say bad things about your "ultra-scary-fans" and how bad they are and our is awesome ? I don't think s o. I know which team will win - us, but thanks anyway. see you soon at teddy, ofc if you will come. guess you're a computer freak that know only talk behind computer and come to a game once a year, no? you're a joke.

People stop talking shit... Bejrusalem you're confident so much and it makes me laugh.... leave the topic until the game and we will see.... if there will be great apmosphere created by Ultras of both sides there will be a nice match but if one side will start fight then other side will fight too... That's all
BTW. You can see that our Ultras have great skills so they can make one of the best atmospheres in europe and world... and Polish hooligans are called the most powerfull hool's international, so... don't be so confident )
Greetings from Cracow ... Peace

[Pallamanski]

[quote=Bjerusalem;561252]I ain't looking for any fight or troubles, I guess you are the ones who are looking for it. You saw me say bad things about your "ultra-scary-fans" and how bad they are and our is awesome ? I don't think s o.
I know which team will win - us, but thanks anyway. see you soon at teddy, ofc if you will come. guess you're a computer freak that know only talk behind computer and come to a game once a year, no? you're a joke.quote]

Thanx for calling me a joke! if you ain't looking for troubles why do you call me a joke! I sit behind my computer now - yes you are right! What kind of education does it take to figure that out?

Second you know what Dywizja Dania means - it means The Division of Denmark! It means Wisla have fans outside of Poland... I can speak with confidence and say we have fans many places in Europe - because I have accompanied some of the foreign fans at Reymonta myself!

How many fans do you think Beitar have in Europe!? Probably NONE! Those Jews I know in Denmark would never support a team that obviously brag about how racist and zionistic they are! Come on grow up!

I can see why Maccabi Haifa and Hapoel Tel Aviv come here also... they wanna make sure that we know how ignorant and stupid some fans Beitar really are!

[South]

i heard ,sanction for one flare in polish league is 5000 zlotych ...

[Bjerusalem]

Man, what r u talking about all the time? Why u start to talk about nazi, racism or anti-semitism? Won't talk about it because you don't know nothing about us. I saw few weeks ago the programme about Jews. I realized that all of you think that all people in Poland r anti-semitic and we love Hitler here. Damn, what a stupid things. I said it once but have to repeat - pyrotechnics r illegal in Poland. Got it? And.. stop saying that we have no rules here.. Good to hear that you, in Israel, have some rules. In all parts of life. I have not started to talk "who is bigger", "who is better". I want to say you (because it seems that u don't know it), that Beitar's fans started to do it. Well, be so proud, be so fu**ing arrogant. HOPE that our footballers will show what the real football is. Soon. And, if u want to know, our fans r not so sure that we will get to 3rd round and beat Beitar. Not so easy, not so fast. But, what can I read in your opinion, you find your own not only about "King of Ultras" but the team of the best footballers in Europe.

dunno, just chilling... and you?

anyway, as I wrote before, some fans didn't flamed and crused you guys with no reason. btw, I do know about polish history maybe more then you think. Btw, I think polish is one of the biggest or the biggest country in world with alot of anti-semitism people. I never said you love hitler, the opposite... but you can't deny you have a big groups in your country that are very anti-semitism who use alot of racist comments, btw your opponent ( derby ) called as "jew gang" right? every match you flame and sing a racist songs... so o0

ok so pyrotechnics is illegal in poland, but that ain't my point. one of your fans tried to show how small beitar fans are and how big and scary wisla fans, he laughed about our "exhibits" so I told him we can't afford such things because lake of money and rules. if it's illegal so why you don't get punished? we does, and it piss me off.

[Bjerusalem]

People stop talking shit... Bejrusalem you're confident so much and it makes me laugh.... leave the topic until the game and we will see.... if there will be great apmosphere created by Ultras of both sides there will be a nice match but if one side will start fight then other side will fight too... That's all BTW. You can see that our Ultras have great skills so they can make one of the best atmospheres in europe and world... and Polish hooligans are called the most powerfull hool's international, so... don't be so confident ) Greetings from Cracow ... Peace

I ain't talking shit, this is my opinion. this forum is democratic forum no? I'm always confident on my team in any cost, if I will not be like that it will show some weakness. I'm not bragging or w/e you try to show it.

Again, I do not care at all about the fans fight who is better or not, I'm just answering to some people that think they can afford laugh on us and so on. I know it piss you off when some people talk about fans and so on, just don't take any attention on it. I cheer my team in any game - this is enough for me.

You can be hooligans as much as you want... hopefully some wisla fans will come to teddy and see our atmosperes. btw you can't use pyrotechnics against us.


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[South]

btw your opponent ( derby ) called as "jew gang" right? every match you flame and sing a racist songs... so o0

jew gang is hooligans group of Cracovia ,not every match, only in derby match and very seldom maybe one time in match ,you hate Hapoel wright ? you never offend them ?

[Pablooo]

dunno, just chilling... and you? anyway, as I wrote before, some fans didn't flamed and crused you guys with no reason. btw, I do know about polish history maybe more then you think. Btw, I think polish is one of the biggest or the biggest country in world with alot of anti-semitism people. I never said you love hitler, the opposite... but you can't deny you have a big groups in your country that are very anti-semitism who use alot of racist comments, btw your opponent ( derby ) called as "jew gang" right? every match you flame and sing a racist songs... so o0

People don't like Jews all over the world.

Why are a lot of anti-semitic in Poland? If u know the history, you should know that.

Yep, u r right, I can't deny that in Poland are some anti-semitics and racists but thery are... all over the world.

About Cracovia - yes, they have "Jude Gang" groupe, but it's named by... them.
To be right - sometimes we sing some songs sounds like anti-semitic but it's only about Cracovia, not really about Jews. And not at every match, I promise u.
U have to know that if we sing racism or anti-semitic songs we will be punished, a lot.

Poland is in the European Union, I'm not sure if u know that we are really more civilisated (good word?) than some east Europe or Asia countries

[neri]

Why are a lot of anti-semitic in Poland? If u know the history, you should know that.

i really want to hear your explanation.
enlighten me.

[Bjerusalem]

People don't like Jews all over the world. Why are a lot of anti-semitic in Poland? If u know the history, you should know that. Yep, u r right, I can't deny that in Poland are some anti-semitics and racists but thery are... all over the world. About Cracovia - yes, they have "Jude Gang" groupe, but it's named by... them. To be right - sometimes we sing some songs sounds like anti-semitic but it's only about Cracovia, not really about Jews. And not at every match, I promise u. U have to know that if we sing racism or anti-semitic songs we will be punished, a lot. Poland is in the European Union, I'm not sure if u know that we are really more civilisated (good word?) than some east Europe or Asia countries

I know the history very well trust me, we have also alot of racist people in israel too, but unfortunately we live in hard environment with alot of enemys. Therefor we are very sensitive about racist comments on jews or holocauts comments. so our instinct reaction is to attack back, our power to stay together and never give up, I wrote it more then once, we are very Zionistic.

All over the world there are anti-semitics, but especially in poland there is alot of groups, maybe the largest in the world. we don't have nothing against you - we have against the one who is offend and insults jews.

About the "jude Gang" you promise it has no connection with jew or anti-semitic songs, but we the isralies, explicit it as racist comments on jews. we do that too, but when it comes to jews or israel, it is hard to stay calm and be quiet. maybe the media or some wisla fans trying to push this up again so we will fight between us so they can have shit to write on newspaper.

[neri]

Behaving disgraceful and offensive on our forum for example.

yeah, that's certainly a good reason to hate the jewish people.

[Pablooo]

i really want to hear your explanation. enlighten me.

I'm not sure if my English is good enough to talk about it, really

Read that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...Jews_in_Poland


U should know that a number of anti-semitic in Poland is the same as in Germany or Italy or any other countries.
I'm not anti-semitic, ok? But it's a historical problem. People in Poland don't like Germans because of history and don't like Russians because of the same. Think that u know why.

A lot of people don't like Jews but don't know why. I'm neutral about you.

So why a lot of anti-semitics? Ask them (if there are any. u all said that are).

[Pablooo]

About the "jude Gang" you promise it has no connection with jew or anti-semitic songs, but we the isralies, explicit it as racist comments on jews. we do that too, but when it comes to jews or israel, it is hard to stay calm and be quiet. maybe the media or some wisla fans trying to push this up again so we will fight between us so they can have shit to write on newspaper.

But I still don't know what r u talking about. Who's trying to be anti-semitic? I don't know? In our phorum or yours? I can't read everything in the internet ;-)

[Pallamanski]

yeah, that's certainly a good reason to hate the jewish people.

Well one of the explanations could be that Poland is a catholic country... the crucifixion of Jesus Christ was undertaken by the Jewish people. I don't know much about anti semitism in Poland because I don't care about people who are anti-semites.

But nazi Skinheads you will find everywhere... some people who are uneducated and hatefull might find minoreties to pick on you know! Germany and Sweden have many of these people... but they are very few in numbers regardless.

But just because you suffered from the Holocaust doesn't give you the right to question racists or the likes when many fans of Beitar are racists and right winged fanatics theme selves!

[orzeu]

I know the history very well trust me, we have also alot of racist people in israel too, but unfortunately we live in hard environment with alot of enemys. Therefor we are very sensitive about racist comments on jews or holocauts comments. so our instinct reaction is to attack back, our power to stay together and never give up, I wrote it more then once, we are very Zionistic. All over the world there are anti-semitics, but especially in poland there is alot of groups, maybe the largest in the world. we don't have nothing against you - we have against the one who is offend and insults jews. About the "jude Gang" you promise it has no connection with jew or anti-semitic songs, but we the isralies, explicit it as racist comments on jews. we do that too, but when it comes to jews or israel, it is hard to stay calm and be quiet. maybe the media or some wisla fans trying to push this up again so we will fight between us so they can have shit to write on newspaper.

Man... what books youe read? Let me guess. The author was some orthodox-jew?
Come on and stop making us laugh with saying that "in Poland there is a lot of antisemtisim".
Szewach Weiss, ambassador of Israel in Poland said once: "I have no idea why there is such a bad opinion about Poles in Israel. The fact is that in Canada in one year happens more antisemitic incidients then in Poland in decade!" The Israeli Ambassador said it! You don't believe him?
Have you heard where the banished from France, UK, Spain, Italy and rest of the Europe Jews escaped about 300 years ago? To Poland and Russia! Because there was the only place where they could live normally. In Poland antisemitism is even smaller then in, for example, France or Holland. Go and see it! And after visiting, burn your books because it's rubbish.

Saying that we sing at the derby with cracovia racist song is even better
we don"t sing anytinhg about Jews from Israel, we sing about jews from Cracovia. jews is the nickname, not a nation, got it? Just like Tottenham jews has nothing in common with the "original" Jews.
Besides, "racism" accusation from someone who is supporter of club that is well known as racist is at least arrogant.. And very amusing too

And finally, so what if someone is anti-semitic? You are anti-Pole, and so what? I don't care. Stop thinking of yourselves as some special nation, you are the same people as Dutches, Russians, Poles, Koreans and the rest of the world. But noone accuses noone of being "anti-French" or "anti-Korean". Only you have that annoying feature. I don't care what you think about me, hide your own fears in the pocket.

PS- This is really great:

I know the history very well trust me, we have also alot of racist people in israel too, but unfortunately we live in hard environment with alot of enemys

In short, "we have a tough situation so we can be racist! you can't because... you can't!"
Man, you have no idea what we had in Poland in the last 300 hundred years. 123 years of slavery, two world wars(the same as for jews!), 50 years of communism etc. According to your words, we can be a racists too! But unfortunatelly for you, we aren't. Or to be more specific, in Poland there is the same amount of racists as everwhere but Israel, cause you're the most racist nation in the world

[leyzer87]

wohoo, this is a threat? damn, now i'm scared as hell from you, please our hospitals cost alot of money - I will pay you money just don't hit me or stab me like you have done and killed 3 fans, you "hooligans".

Oh, God damn it, belive me it's nothin' comperin' to what your army is doin' to innocent people.
Simply, i thought that Jews are more inteligent people. Is it so hard to think Bjerusalem? Stop bull-shittin' 'bout US insulting YOU, and look how your mates messed up out forum by dozens of pointless topics. You're saing that Polish people are anti-semits, well that sound funny, becouse you are anti-everyone. You say that your people are very sensitive 'bout this issue, i think you are over-sensitive. We can't even fart without being called rasists. But of course it's so freakin' easy to repeat what people say 'bout Poland. Come here and check it for your own. Dude, grow up or take your toys to difrent sand-pit.
And it's really funny to hear, that you have better suporters. Did you saw us? I won't judge who's better before game starts, but belive me, or not, we are one of the best in Europe. Ow, and i have to admit that you are arogant sack of shit(no offence, everybody shears mine opinion here)

Go home you lame internet fighter!

[PvD]

I know the history very well trust me,

yes yes

All over the world there are anti-semitics, but especially in poland there is alot of groups, maybe the largest in the world.

We are the largest anti-semitics all over the World. Even larger than Hezbollah & Al-Aksa together.

joke

Bjerusalem, I think you're from MOSSAD )( המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים, Ha-Mossad le-Modiin u-le-Tafkidim Mejuchadim)

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[Lechista69]

As someone said, fans of Jeruzalems can't said anything wrong about Arkadij Gajdamak becouse if they will do it then he will leave this team forever. Haha~ monkeys of Arkadij :****




Jude 1:4 Wisla ))!!!
Wisla 5:0 Jude )!!!

[Uran235]

I pitty you. Poles are not anti-semites, remember that, but I must admit that we feel sceptical towards Jews these days. But that is mainly the Jews fault. You know why? Because the Second World War was a big tragedy for all nations not only Jews. Poles were first to put a stand to the German threat and we've payed a greatly for that. We could have just give up like the Czehs or the French, but we've decided to fight although our chances were minimal. Even when our goverment surrendered, the poles still fought. They fought on the Polish grounds, they fought in the see, they fought in the air defending the last free European capitol. They spilt they're blood on almost every frontline of that terrible war. And even those poles that did not fight with arms, they still lead a war of their own a struggle to survive. And yet even though the times were enough hard for them, they still risked, they risked their lives and the lives of their loved ones, to save lives of the Jews. And they didn't expect to hear "thank you", they just felt that it was the right thing to do.
You didn't thank them then and we do not expect you to thank them now. But when I open a newspaper and I read that some Jewish official said that the Poles are responsible for the holocaust or turn on the telly and hear that Auschwitz was a Polish facility, and when I read this forum and see you calling poles antisemites or nazis and repeating those awful lies it just makes me want to shout. And to me it is no surprise that many Poles are hostile towards Jews when every day have to read or listen or watch Jews insulting us, our grandparents our country and our history.

[Mishuh]

About the "jude Gang" you promise it has no connection with jew or anti-semitic songs, but we the isralies, explicit it as racist comments on jews. we do that too, but when it comes to jews or israel, it is hard to stay calm and be quiet. maybe the media or some wisla fans trying to push this up again so we will fight between us so they can have shit to write on newspaper.

Why the hell do you care of Jude Gang?! It's a group of Cracovia, not Wisla. They called themselves with this name, it's THEIR problem. And antisemitic stuff in Krakow (you still haven't shown me who provoked you, are they some vanishing leprechauns)?It was never aimed at Jewish clubs, we haven't played any for decades and frankly I don't think anybody here cares about Israeli football. Cracovia are nicknamed "Jews" and so they are insulted, but that doesn't mean it's aimed at Israelis. However- you may think what you want, you've proven there is no way to convince you to anything apart from Beitar being best team in all aspects.

Stop thinking of yourselves as some special nation, you are the same people as Dutches, Russians, Poles, Koreans and the rest of the world. But noone accuses noone of being "anti-French" or "anti-Korean".

I'm diehard radical Anti-Frenchman!

[Pallamanski]

I am Anti-Danish...!

[pzkwr]

Why do you seek only bad things in Poland? I agree there are some/ a lot antisimitic people in our country but if you only wanted you could see for example:

- Festival of Jewish Culture starting this week in Cracow - one of the biggest and the most important in the world - thousands of people from Poland and all over the world come to the final concert: http://www.jewishfestival.pl/index.php?lang=e
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNdaMbUyJAw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQXFb...eature=related
Are those people antesimitic (most of them are Polish)?

- coat of arms of my home town Kolbuszowa (an old "sztetl" in Southeast Poland): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolbuszowa

You see what you want to see.

[neri]

Why the hell do you care of Jude Gang?! It's a group of Cracovia, not Wisla. They called themselves with this name, it's THEIR problem. And antisemitic stuff in Krakow (you still haven't shown me who provoked you, are they some vanishing leprechauns)?It was never aimed at Jewish clubs, we haven't played any for decades and frankly I don't think anybody here cares about Israeli football. Cracovia are nicknamed "Jews" and so they are insulted, but that doesn't mean it's aimed at Israelis. However- you may think what you want, you've proven there is no way to convince you to anything apart from Beitar being best team in all aspects. I'm diehard radical Anti-Frenchman!

for us,the terms "jews" and "israelis" means pretty much the same.
the fact that calling someone a jew is an insult really irritates us.

[gdsmk]

I am Anti-Danish...!

no no no...
Blame Canada !!!

[Sivas]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazimierz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w_Ghetto
http://www.jewishfestival.pl/index.php?lang=e
firstly read some article about Kraków, then think ( dont hurry ) and then say somthing more about us...

[Pallamanski]

for us,the terms "jews" and "israelis" means pretty much the same. the fact that calling someone a jew is an insult really irritates us.

What can we do about the fact that you get irritated? Cracovia and Wisla are 100 year old clubs. In Cracovia's early history the team adopted many players who had Jewish origin. That's why we call them "Jews". Like every rivalising teams we find things that are different about each other and we pick on those things!

I can't see why it is more bad than you Beitar fans calling Maccabi fans whores - it is disrespectful, yes! But you are not a rival of Wisla krakow so you shouldn't care about what we sing in the Polish League

[samkal77]

Sorry that the discussion got changed from professional talking to more political arguing. i thought fooball is a way to escape thay, we have so many in my country :(

Have a great day and hopefully glory defeat

BTW

Cracovia are nicknamed "Jews" and so they are insulted, but that doesn't mean it's aimed at Israelis.

Jewish - religion
Israel - nationality

Not the same!!

samkal77

[neri]

What can we do about the fact that you get irritated? Cracovia and Wisla are 100 year old clubs. In Cracovia's early history the team adopted many players who had Jewish origin. That's why we call them "Jews". Like every rivalising teams we find things that are different about each other and we pick on those things! I can't see why it is more bad than you Beitar fans calling Maccabi fans whores - it is disrespectful, yes! But you are not a rival of Wisla krakow so you shouldn't care about what we sing in the Polish League

but if i'll call sachnin supporters ( lukasz surma's team) stinking muslims you'll probably say that i'm a racist.
you refuse to understand that using the word "jew" as curse or an insult really offends us.