How many tourists have recently died in Jerusalem because of street battles or explosions?

i think that none, but i'm not sure.

the palestinian terrorists won't dare to harm any foreign civilians, especially not europeans.
they focus on killing innocent israeli women and childern.
these terrorists know that in such case the european union will fully support israel's actions against them and no one will continue to believe their false propaganda.

Ok, but what is the strongest element of his game? Is it the defending at the goal line or fighting for the ball in the air? Or maybe he’s good at both?

If you weren't frustrated you wouldn't boast on this forum that you (Legia) recently won with us, which was supposed to show our quality, letting you undervalue that you’ve lost the league competition with us. It has nothing to do with European rivalry. This what you call a "cover" is the knowledge of the similar position that both teams (Wisła and Beitar) have in Europe based upon their ranking and achievements in the European Cups in recent years. And I've mentioned nothing about Parma, Schalke or Lazio. These teams are better than Wisła, such as they are better than Beitar. Both Wisła and Beitar have similar chances of winning this two matches and we shall see who will win. That’s really everything I have to say to you, Pioneer.

Not exactly on the goal line. He has no problem to go out if he needs to, and to fight in the air too. I don't know what his best thing, but he doesn't afraid to do nothing. He's quite a crazy man, either bad and good.

just see this video (all of it) and than tell us what you think about us.

this clip made for the the game between beitar and wisla.


http://www.upfree.net/6769942

Too long, too monotonous. This kind of film should last mor than less 2 minutes and show skills of both teams and supporters

But I acknowledge the end is quite funny

he is good at the air and in penalties. he is well on 1 on 1. is big minus, is that sometimes he makes errors like a beginner.

Tell me that after the match Teddy is so good stadium for fans, because the roof, when 21,000 people sing under this roof, you have to scard. maybe Teddy is not the only stadium with roof, but the fans of Beitar sing so strong, then it unbelivable.

Jews are not afraid you krakow.

All I can say is: What da fuck!

I'll be happy to answer anything about Beitar Jerusalem. I am from Denmark and know everything about the Israelis from when they clashed FC Kopenhaga.

There defence was shit in both games. Away from home Wisla should be careful. Keep main focus on concentration and discipline! Beitar knows how to attack at their stadium.

Wisla will have good opportunities if they choose to play at Reymonta like they play in the Ekstraklasa. Fast and direct passing between attack and midfield. In Parken Stadium in Kopenhaga the Israelis where clearly outclashed! And I can't see why Wisla can't do the same!

All in All... CONCENTRATION AND DISCIPLINE! And putting the chances into goals - then Wisla will play in 3rd round and I can finally return to Krakow!!

I have already seen the footage from that incident...
Obviously you got me wrong as I don`t consider it in the way, whether it was an arab attack or not.
All I`m saying is it can happen again and anyone can be affected. Even if potential terrorist focus on locals, he can by mistake "hit" someone else while his furious rampage, right ?
Generally Jerusalem doesen`t seem to be the safest place to visit, you wouldn`t desagree I believe

I wonder if people like you've ever seen any clip showing a "NOT-Beitar" support. The level of your arrogance and ignorance is amazing. You think anyone here is impressed with your support? No. Not here, not in half of the world. Your support is medicore, I think you even look really poor compared to Ultras Ahlawy (not to look far from Israel- but of course you have different conditions than them) and will never work it good enough to have their numbers. Your ultra performances are nothing special, we've had A LOT better in Polish 3rd league. And I don't want to be rude, just want you to realize (yeah, I guess I'm bound to succeed :P)- you're nothing special for us. Decent, but nothing great.

Wisla is a class higher than you (in my opinion), maybe even two (although we're still faaaaar from best). You don't have to agree with it, you may think whatever you want, but the lack of any respect shown by Beitar fans is unseen before, at least for me. (And it's not a good thing :P ).

Haha! Dywizja Dania is here :) I was wondering when you come and say something about the Fc Kopenhaga game... :)

I'm tired of reading them too. What a arrogance. They though that we have poor ultras and poor support.
So they r wrong, a bit :lol:

Beitar's fans paste here some links to show how great ultras they are.. buuut.. what is great here? three flares, some flags and...? Well.. I can see that u find your ultras in "King of Ultras" way but.. it's really poor, I'm sorry.

Hope that it looks better live but in fact I don't care about this because u r not any rivals for us.
Just watch some movies or games live (TV) in Poland or Serbia for example too see what level you are.

Here is a good example of Wisla support

http://youtube.com/user/ewciakrk

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...i_Haifa_FC.gifhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...00px-Wisla.gif

The biggest club in Israel say hello to Wisla fans!

I wish you White Stars guys will win the match and help us all.

Maccabi Haifa FC website :
http://maccabi-haifafc.walla.co.il/

Good luck, and please...
F**K Beitar!!! :D

flares and smoke grenades are illegal in israel so they have to be smuggled into the stadiums.the police does a search on each and every fan before entering the stadium.i believe that those procedures are a bit different in poland and serbia :-D.we can only dream about using hundreds of flares in one match.

You're even more pathetic than wisla fans. It's easy to come here and laugh about us and write things about our defense, but you miss alot of details. one thing i can say for sure, even the media and beitar players says it, if we would meet you today the score would be easily 3-0 for us at both games, you guys are a big joke.

First of all, we meet you after alot of years that we didn't were in a big tournament so we had quite a new team that our main goal was to rule the israeli leauge and build it slowly with good 5 foreigners players based on young israeli players + national players.

last season our striker, Romulo, came to israel after he were injured a week and even less before our match against you. As you probably know, it's very hard for foreigner player and especially a player from south amercia to get used to different style of football, also we had new coach and a "super manager" therefor they didn't knew the team well and learn the players their style, you can add our sucky bootcamp and alot of things that I won't say - so shorty we were not ready even for hapoel tel aviv.

Btw, we both know, even fck fans known, that we played much better than you. first game we played much better with 10 players ( our best player boateng got a red card in middle of game and didn't played in teddy ) so basiclly we lost because stupid mistake from our new goalkeepr. and in second game we were 10 times better but we were unlucky in overtime duh low fithness.

Anyway, cut the bullshit and think we are low team with no chance. I wish we could get fck again, wisla krakow are way better team.

In Poland flares r illegal too.

Haha I am SO SORRY that FC Kopenhaga couldn't wait till you guys ACTUALLY learned how to play football together as a team Whaaaat a shame!!

Second I am a fan of Brondby IF not FC Kopenhaga. Regardless I wasn't impressed by your team. I can say you did play some good football at Teddy Stadium - but football are also in the mind not only in the feets and THERE you where outclashed by FCK!

If Wisla plays intelligent football your team will not advance to the 3rd round

Another proof of the lack of any knwoledge of outside Israel. Pallamanski is from Broendby, so your words about meeting "them" are funny- it's as if you treated Beitar and Maccabi Tel Aviv like one team. Besides, he is a Wisla fan.
And if he's "even more pathetic", than what the f**k are you doing here? There were no invitations, especially to come and insult anyone.

Oh, and of course it's easy, even obvious to come here and laugh at Beitar's fans- because you are way more ridiculous than anything I've seen.Not that I've seen everything though.

and "Mr surma", in case you don't realize- Surma is not a person we like here :P

Well, I can say the same. I'm very tired reading you and pathetic fans like yours that trying to show "mine is bigger than yours". I prefer these small flags and fans like us with atleast unstoppable stabilization and sympathy to our club and country not like yours that some ultras shit is more important than your team.

but I guess you care more to be anti-Semites fans who hate jews and support hitler or w/e. and as I wrote before, beitar fans known as very Zionistic to their country and team, also to their principles. When a bunch of fans like you will ever try to hurt us, attack, insult, use racist shit against us - a pay back will come and very quickly.

Btw a small fact you forgot to mention... maybe our leauge is crap but I guess polish leauge is even more. You can always afford more pyrotechnics items and won't get punished, but here in israel we have rules not like in poland. our football unification hate us because we're the strongest team, so they are trying to hurt us, therefor every pyrotechins will give us minus 2 points or a game without crowd. but hey, it's ok to talk behind a computer, hopefully when wisla fans will come to teddy they will see what real fans made of.

Btw, you should know that on internet there is alot of kids. nowadays on the modern football some fans grow up when the shows of crowd are way more important, but easily they understand they were wrong. our team above everything... we will come to win and qualify to champion leauge.

He said he is from dk, I'm quite new on forum so i had no idea he is not a fck fan. but Now i do understand why he wrote some bullshit because he didn't knew nothing about us. I'm doing here to invite you to our forum but duh we have some problems on forums it can't happen. but when I saw some videos and comments about jews and anti-semites fans so I could'nt stay quiet, I will not tolerate these kind of things against my lovely team.

Again, I can't control all the fans and espeically on young fans that it might be their first time. so I never came to insult you or anyone else, but I do understand the people who does that after what we saw over here.

And still not tempted to leave? Shite!

After two days of our "pre-rivalry" I have to say Jews (of course only "selected individuals", but in unbelievable scale) have masters degree in imagining things.But in case you don't know, there are therapies for schisophrenia.

Oh, you poor hated, but (Hallelujah!) strongest fans of the world. Hail. :/
Thank god Israel have rules, what would happen if you hadn't if you are an embarassment to the whole nation even with rules.

We know there are a lot of kids. We see your posts :)

Seriously! Get out of our forum! You Israelis are starting piss everyone off! I can speak as being a foreigner attending Polish football... WISLA's fans are the best in Europe! There is no atmosphere better than on Reymonta Stadium!

And if you guys are looking for a fight in Jerusalem - please try us out! I am sure your hospitals will house not only injured soldiers but also injured Beitar-fans!

Peace out and may the best team win!

I think you the one who should take a therapies for schisophrenia, our fans didn't came and started to flame you for no reason. we saw enough videos and comments about us and I think they had enough, maybe you should read again my comments but unfortunately you are narrow minded to understand it.

Yeah, it is nice to listen to our biggest opponents on forums who write some crap about us. this pathetic fan who wrote about our fans and started to say how big and scary your ultras with pyrotechnics shit, so I explained very nicely to him we can't do that in israel.

than i guess polish police doesn't really care about enforcing the law.
you can't smuggle hundreds of flares without the police noticing.

Man, what r u talking about all the time? :lol:

Why u start to talk about nazi, racism or anti-semitism? Won't talk about it because you don't know nothing about us. I saw few weeks ago the programme about Jews. I realized that all of you think that all people in Poland r anti-semitic and we love Hitler here. Damn, what a stupid things.

I said it once but have to repeat - pyrotechnics r illegal in Poland. Got it? And.. stop saying that we have no rules here.. :lol: Good to hear that you, in Israel, have some rules. In all parts of life.

I have not started to talk "who is bigger", "who is better". I want to say you (because it seems that u don't know it), that Beitar's fans started to do it.


Well, be so proud, be so fu**ing arrogant. HOPE that our footballers will show what the real football is. Soon.

And, if u want to know, our fans r not so sure that we will get to 3rd round and beat Beitar. Not so easy, not so fast. But, what can I read in your opinion, you find your own not only about "King of Ultras" but the team of the best footballers in Europe. :lol:

OK, step by step.
1. Show me what comments and videos about you you mean, because I haven't seen anything. That's why you look like frustrated teenagers (en masse, not one by one)
2. You say you don't come to insult, but you do it in EVERY post. Think about the narrow mind issue again, maybe you'll see some on your side.
3. Flares ARE ILLEGAL in Poland as well, will you learn to read? People ARE searched at games, people DO GET stadium bans. And as much as you cannot accept it, our ultras are fantastic, while your seem to be... well just be.

Haha :-) Not so easy but.. everything is possible to do when u want it.




And.. to Bjerusalem - I have not try to scare you :lol: Why? Because of pirothenic? :lol:


Beitar's fans are better in scaring :D

mhh, you said you're from dk no? so why the fuck you're saying "our forum". I give a shit what you think about fans or ultra or any atmosphere, I compared to you ain't a kid that look for troubles and pay money for a ticket to see some pyrotechnics shit or a fans show. I come in order to cheer my team to WIN !!!

wohoo, this is a threat? damn, now i'm scared as hell from you, please our hospitals cost alot of money - I will pay you money just don't hit me or stab me like you have done and killed 3 fans, you "hooligans".

I ain't looking for any fight or troubles, I guess you are the ones who are looking for it. You saw me say bad things about your "ultra-scary-fans" and how bad they are and our is awesome ? I don't think s o.
I know which team will win - us, but thanks anyway. see you soon at teddy, ofc if you will come. guess you're a computer freak that know only talk behind computer and come to a game once a year, no? you're a joke.

well, how do you explain this photo?
if it's illegal, how did you manage to get all those flares into the stadium?
this situation can never happen in israel.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/80/24...dac4ca24a0.jpg

If only I were a mod... this would be a sweet ban. You have the right not to know, but this guy comes to Krakow regularly for home and away games. From Denmark. And it seems to me you're the one hanging around our forum for 2 days. So still talking about being "behind a computer"? :D:D
And it is his forum, cause he is a Wisla fan, that is the main criteria. In case you haven't noticed the avatar, like you missed his signature with the word BROENDBY before :P


This is exceptional. It was a friendly game, so the rules of high risk games did not apply. It was a game celebrating Wisla's centenary (by the way, won against FC Sevilla, UEFA Cup holders. Just boasting a bit ).

Beitar's fans are also not sure about being at the 3rd round - we know that wisla is a good team.
all Beitar's fans, please stop argue with them, that's not why we are here...

People stop talking shit... Bejrusalem you're confident so much and it makes me laugh.... leave the topic until the game and we will see.... if there will be great apmosphere created by Ultras of both sides there will be a nice match but if one side will start fight then other side will fight too... That's all
BTW. You can see that our Ultras have great skills so they can make one of the best atmospheres in europe and world... and Polish hooligans are called the most powerfull hool's international, so... don't be so confident ;))
Greetings from Cracow ... Peace :D

[quote=Bjerusalem;561252]I ain't looking for any fight or troubles, I guess you are the ones who are looking for it. You saw me say bad things about your "ultra-scary-fans" and how bad they are and our is awesome ? I don't think s o.
I know which team will win - us, but thanks anyway. see you soon at teddy, ofc if you will come. guess you're a computer freak that know only talk behind computer and come to a game once a year, no? you're a joke.quote]

Thanx for calling me a joke! if you ain't looking for troubles why do you call me a joke! I sit behind my computer now - yes you are right! What kind of education does it take to figure that out???

Second you know what Dywizja Dania means - it means The Division of Denmark! It means Wisla have fans outside of Poland... I can speak with confidence and say we have fans many places in Europe - because I have accompanied some of the foreign fans at Reymonta myself!

How many fans do you think Beitar have in Europe!? Probably NONE! Those Jews I know in Denmark would never support a team that obviously brag about how racist and zionistic they are! Come on grow up!

I can see why Maccabi Haifa and Hapoel Tel Aviv come here also... they wanna make sure that we know how ignorant and stupid some fans Beitar really are!

i heard ,sanction for one flare in polish league is 5000 zlotych ...

dunno, just chilling... and you? :)

anyway, as I wrote before, some fans didn't flamed and crused you guys with no reason. btw, I do know about polish history maybe more then you think. Btw, I think polish is one of the biggest or the biggest country in world with alot of anti-semitism people. I never said you love hitler, the opposite... but you can't deny you have a big groups in your country that are very anti-semitism who use alot of racist comments, btw your opponent ( derby ) called as "jew gang" right? every match you flame and sing a racist songs... so o0

ok so pyrotechnics is illegal in poland, but that ain't my point. one of your fans tried to show how small beitar fans are and how big and scary wisla fans, he laughed about our "exhibits" so I told him we can't afford such things because lake of money and rules. if it's illegal so why you don't get punished? we does, and it piss me off.

I ain't talking shit, this is my opinion. this forum is democratic forum no? I'm always confident on my team in any cost, if I will not be like that it will show some weakness. I'm not bragging or w/e you try to show it.

Again, I do not care at all about the fans fight who is better or not, I'm just answering to some people that think they can afford laugh on us and so on. I know it piss you off when some people talk about fans and so on, just don't take any attention on it. I cheer my team in any game - this is enough for me.

You can be hooligans as much as you want... hopefully some wisla fans will come to teddy and see our atmosperes. btw you can't use pyrotechnics against us.


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jew gang is hooligans group of Cracovia ,not every match, only in derby match and very seldom maybe one time in match ,you hate Hapoel wright ? you never offend them ?

People don't like Jews all over the world.

Why are a lot of anti-semitic in Poland? If u know the history, you should know that.

Yep, u r right, I can't deny that in Poland are some anti-semitics and racists but thery are... all over the world.

About Cracovia - yes, they have "Jude Gang" groupe, but it's named by... them.
To be right - sometimes we sing some songs sounds like anti-semitic but it's only about Cracovia, not really about Jews. And not at every match, I promise u.
U have to know that if we sing racism or anti-semitic songs we will be punished, a lot.

Poland is in the European Union, I'm not sure if u know that we are really more civilisated (good word?) than some east Europe or Asia countries