Still, a pre-season friendly is not a CL qualifying game. So I would take your vision :)
But we'll win against both clubs :P

well, Hapoel have a chance to win with Wisla coz this would be our second game of the pre-season. There will be two different set of players for each half, so it's not about the result.
will see.

btw Hapohell, how do you rate Beitar team ? are they strong? do they have a chance with Wisla? Why did they rule your league in such an impressive style ?

and one more:

How many fans do you think you'll bring to Israel ?
As far as I know from our BAD media, it will be probably like 300-450 fans.
Yeah, god knows how they know it. I ask you to know better. :)

what is the weather at Poland these days?

samkal77

no one can rate a team compared to other leagues, and of course, we don't know your team, so we don't know who is the better team...:-/
and i have question to the older fans of you: do you remember when you lost to Hapoel Petach Tikva in the intertoto [4:2](it might be a long time ago)

beitar jerusalem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v38bgM9ZY_Q


video-clip of the season 06-07... you have to see!

Well, actualy gdsmk is wrong, that is going to be our third game. Our first game was against GKS Jastrzębie last friday. We've won 2-0 but GKS is a side from our second division and is among the weaker teams there. We've completely dominated the game, although the game took place four days after the start of our preperations so the score means nothing.

Our second game is going to be against Austria Wien on wednesday.

You mean around the time of our game, or currently?
Currently the polar bears are heading north, as the temperature have risen to a astonishing level of -5 Celsius degrees, but by the time of the game they should be back.

Seriously, these days weatherin Poland is completely unpredictable. It can be 15 Celsius degress and rain or it could be 35 celsius degrees. Heck, we didn't have a winter in two years, at least in some parts of our country.

so many
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=17O0634qmT0







;)

well too tell the truth ....since 3 years ago when a rich (and Mafia member i suspect) buy them
they become quite frightening...and buy every good israeli player (thats why they rule now)

in euro games they not successful ...(3-0 lost to shatar doniezk and lost to Copenhagen last year)

but i cant say if beitar are better than wisla
...becoase i dont know how strong you are....
just heard you lost only one game this season...and took your league in a slow walk
its going to be intersting and hope you win

:rotfl: :lol:

This is absolutely irrelevant to the current situation at Wisla. The times of Wisla beating Schalke, Parma, Lazio are long gone and you know it! Today's Wisla isn't even half as good as Wisla from the games mentioned above. Why do you even remind people about these games is beyond me. Stuck in the past, are we?

If you want to talk about the essence of Wisla then you must not forget about the losses to Valerenga Oslo in 2003, Dinamo Tbilisi in 2004, Vitoria Guimaraes in 2005, the narrow and lucky win over Mattersburg who were at the bottom of the austrian league (1:0 at home and 1:1 away with a very lucky goal) in 2006, loss to Blackburn Rovers in 2006, loss to Feyenoord, loss to Nancy. You brag about the win over Panathinaikos 3:1 but why don't you mention the fact they were just at the start of their season and then Wisla got trashed 4:1 in Greece and was eliminated from the CL?

In recent years Wisla had a lot more losses than wins on the European stage, so stop bragging about Parma, Lazio, Schalke because that was 5 years ago. It's irrelevant, Wisla fans show these clips before every European game but they don't mean shit. The truth is that polish football and polish clubs are one of the worst in Europe and every year they're falling further behind on points and level of play. Wisla is no exception. The entire polish league is one of the most corrupt leagues in the world, in recent times over 120 people have been arrested for rigging matches, including referees, coaches, club officials, and 9 clubs have been relegated to lower leagues so far and more will follow soon. It's no wonder that clubs from such corrupt and rotten league don't mean anything on the european stage.

Just this year Legia won with Wisla 3 times in a row including in the final of the League Cup. They even beat Wisla with a squad of 17 and 18 year olds. Wisla's lead in the league doesn't really mean anything because the polish league is so pathetic that anyone with a few good players and consistency can easily dominate the league. That's how weak the polish league is and in recent years the polish clubs have been losing to almost everyone in the European Cups.

In my opinion Wisla will once again lose on the european stage this time to Beitar. The truth about Wisla is that any team with a little tactical discipline and pressing can beat them, which we've already seen demonstrated by the european teams I mentioned above. If I had to bet my money on anyone here it would without a doubt be Beitar. In my opinion you guys are 70-30 favorites in this game.

Here is a good look at Wisla fans in action for all our guests to see. Lot of videos so enjoy :)
JJJBG!!!

http://youtube.com/user/ewciakrk

You and the rest of wisla karkow fans are very ridiculous, I feel sorry for you. what do you expect when we, beitar jerusalem fans, come to your site trying to invite you to our forum to chat and share information, see some nazi's flags. hitler pictures, some anti jew videos about the holocaust, and read about your hard opponent with the " jew gang " that you keep curse and sing racist songs, and so on from your fans and from your team ?

Just to let you know, beitar jerusalem fans, known as very Zionistic to their country, we will defend and attack anyone who will even try to insult,attack, use racist words against our country/race. we are strong enough to handle these anti-Semites people from your crowd. Yes, we are very sensitive about these kind of things, therefor you will see this kind of reaction - this is normal.

About the fans from both teams, this is obviously pathetic try to show " I have bigger than you" from you and also from us. I feel in middle of war from all those threats from you. watch out from our fans, look at them we are so scary and big, we killed 3 people from our opponents and so on.. come on gimme a break.

We are coming to poland in order to win and support our team in any cost. we will not come to fight with you, we will not try to show which fans are better or scary. we are coming to achieve our goal and our dream - qualify to champion leauge. hope to see a great games and not a war, see ya.

Bjerusalem - you are just like Ahmed.

Silence!!!
I kill you!!!
:lol:

NANCY VS WISLA uefa cup
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Vzsx...eature=related

Israel is very exotic location for us. It's very expensive to get there and let's be honest it's not even in Europe. Most people simply cannot aford such a trip.
I live in Dublin and money is not an issue for me but most likely I will not go to Jerusalem because there is no direct flight from Ireland.
I think that if 100 people will go to Israel I would consider it as a good figure.

Howgh!

need to
 

beitar's fans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nG_gxYKXgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7EJ4Ubve4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Pg3f5P1dE
and some nice pictures from our fans:

some more pictures here:
http://beitar-jerusalem.net/vb/showthread.php?t=41886[/quote]

for some reasons i have the feeling that some of our fan's prefer the win in the crowd than the win the game...
to As - don't forget that Jerusalem is a tour city - you can get 2 in a price of 1 -> your beloved football club match at the European Champions League, and a tour in Jerusalem. of course, if you are not interested, you are right...

Well, it would be hard to make a thousand because it's a long and expensive trip. And the communication is also not too good. But probably a few hundred will come so the news in your media might be true. Hard to tell more accurately at the moment.



Yes, it's better for us. In case of extra time or penalties our players will have us behind their backs. Besides there's always a chance of improving our performance if we don't win the first match.

Pioneer is a fan o Legia Warsaw, our biggest enemy. They've lost the league with us gaining 14 points less than we so they have to show their frustration on our forum. That's why they boast that they won with us in the no-name Cup and once in the league when we where already sure of winning the Championship. What they won't tell you is that they had no positive performance in Europe for several years and have lost with a team from Lithuania (Vetra Wilno) 0:2 last year. Their fans demolished the stadium in Wilno after that loss and UEFA banned their club. So pay no attention to what these frustraters write about Wisła.

Hello Beitar fans, hope to see you in Cracow soon, you're definitely welcome !

My thoughts about the game are quite realistic. Beitar probably have better players Abreu or Boateng are top class, and as I saw on youtube whole team have good technique too. If we met last season, or a season before you will probably beat us. At present thinks look better on our team, we had a good season
and slowly our team looks nicer and nicer. Wisla is very good defensly and you are a good attacking team.
So be awere of our counter attack ! ;)
Both team have 50 percent to go throught i think and it could be very interesting competition


I 've few questions.
What is your team budget ?
Do you know Lukasz Surma he was born in Cracow and was wisla youngster ?
Why you dont have one grandstand?

p.s very nice mosaic made from chairs on your stadium i liked it a lot

1)no one sure... something like 100 Million New Israeli Shekels(something like 25 Milion Euro)
2)of course we know him, but the facts i didn't know, nice to know that
3)well.... i don't know the answer( i am not sure about the question too...)

I have question to you, Cracow fan's - our best player is Derek Boateng(MC), Or maybe Sebastien "EL LOCO" Abreu(ST)(haven't seen him playing yet - new signing from River Plate), who is your best player?(don't name your hole team - you must have at least one player who is above the team performence)

yep, this is the best thing at the 2nd match, but now we have 30 more mins to score an away goal( that's whay we lost to FC Copenagen last year), and maybe beacouse of the unknown of the Israeli League, your team won't know the abilities of our players(of course you have vidieos) the same goes for your team too, we don't know a thing about your team... but after the 1st mutch we will know exectly who are you and how you playing, and in away game - it is importent.
we are also have no success in Europe(ask Hapoel's Fan)
BTW, sorry for the double post...

Where did you find those? How the hell did you get the idea that all (or the majority) of us support the nazi ideology?
No, it's not normal. In the civilized regions of the planet people who feel insulted don't instantly make death threats. Did it ever occur to you that people who behave that stupid, INsensitive and barbaric maybe, just maybe deserve to get insulted?
I (probably falsely) assume you are an adult. If you want to be seen as a smart, educated, polite man start off with writing "Poland" with a capital "P". That may help look like a civilized human being.
Most importantly if you don't like this forum simply don't come here.

Paweł Brożek. He shot 23 goals in the league last season and he is our best striker.

It sounds quite funny for some, but Paweł Brożek now (striker).

Arkadiusz Głowacki and Cleber r good defenders and Marek Zieńczuk (left winger) had great season but a lot of people find him a little poor, especially in european cups.

Definitely Paweł Brożek, if he is in form and determined... He's very fast and easily avoid offside trap...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=07IieKlMiX8&feature=related

good player but all of hes goals coming from 1V1 with the Goal keepr

that will be a problem to Beitar - our defenders are slow(they are good defenders). we have 1 defender who is fast, but we use him for substitution...
we don't play offside trap, so i assume that we will play with deep defense...
and ron2008 - a striker must know how to score from 1V1, but i trust our goalkeeper

i know but how that u can see he never scorres at no 1V1 evrything go from 1V1

Some of Beitar fans like to think they are hooligans or something.
The thruth is, there aren't hooligans in Israel.

So stop trying to scare them, it won't work.

Wisla's fans - please don't get Israelis football fans or generally Israelis as beitar fans, some of them are really stupid (I mean those who type something in hebrew and then say 'it means...')

Good luck for both teams.

if you think we are not hooligans u have only one thing to do:
wait for 29.7.08