yep, this is the best thing at the 2nd match, but now we have 30 more mins to score an away goal( that's whay we lost to FC Copenagen last year), and maybe beacouse of the unknown of the Israeli League, your team won't know the abilities of our players(of course you have vidieos) the same goes for your team too, we don't know a thing about your team... but after the 1st mutch we will know exectly who are you and how you playing, and in away game - it is importent.
we are also have no success in Europe(ask Hapoel's Fan)
BTW, sorry for the double post...

Where did you find those? How the hell did you get the idea that all (or the majority) of us support the nazi ideology?
No, it's not normal. In the civilized regions of the planet people who feel insulted don't instantly make death threats. Did it ever occur to you that people who behave that stupid, INsensitive and barbaric maybe, just maybe deserve to get insulted?
I (probably falsely) assume you are an adult. If you want to be seen as a smart, educated, polite man start off with writing "Poland" with a capital "P". That may help look like a civilized human being.
Most importantly if you don't like this forum simply don't come here.

Paweł Brożek. He shot 23 goals in the league last season and he is our best striker.

It sounds quite funny for some, but Paweł Brożek now (striker).

Arkadiusz Głowacki and Cleber r good defenders and Marek Zieńczuk (left winger) had great season but a lot of people find him a little poor, especially in european cups.

Definitely Paweł Brożek, if he is in form and determined... He's very fast and easily avoid offside trap...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=07IieKlMiX8&feature=related

good player but all of hes goals coming from 1V1 with the Goal keepr

that will be a problem to Beitar - our defenders are slow(they are good defenders). we have 1 defender who is fast, but we use him for substitution...
we don't play offside trap, so i assume that we will play with deep defense...
and ron2008 - a striker must know how to score from 1V1, but i trust our goalkeeper

i know but how that u can see he never scorres at no 1V1 evrything go from 1V1

Some of Beitar fans like to think they are hooligans or something.
The thruth is, there aren't hooligans in Israel.

So stop trying to scare them, it won't work.

Wisla's fans - please don't get Israelis football fans or generally Israelis as beitar fans, some of them are really stupid (I mean those who type something in hebrew and then say 'it means...')

Good luck for both teams.

if you think we are not hooligans u have only one thing to do:
wait for 29.7.08

Listen, you won't do anything to them, they won't do anything to you.

I'm sure they aren't looking for riots.

he's typical striker, and plays like David Villa ( I think :lol:), he often returns for ball and try to plays from the midfield, but it is true, 90% of goals he scores from the penalty area

Well this is the striker's job

not all hes job he need to know when to pass and to know long shhot

I don't know exactly, but something around 50-100 million dollars.

in third question I was about, why your stadium have only 3 stands, and wall? opposite to goalie stand ?

Our best players ( I can't take one becouse we playing very collectivly) are Brozek, Zienczuk, Sobolewski, Cantoro, Glowacki, Cleber raising star is Jirsak

We are playing in modified 4-4-2 with two hard working DM, advance striker is Brozek and back striker would be Niedzielan (or Boguski) but if we are losing battle in the middle of the pitch, one striker is going to the bench and MC/AMC Jirsak is coming on. There is of course offence viariant and we can play 4-3-3 with the wingers going to the strikers position FL-FR they are both highscoring players so they can do it nicely, I want tell you anythink about our weak points it's the work for your scouts :)

Wisla budget is no more then 10 mln euros ;/ In polish newspapers they called Beitar Israeli Chelsea, but money don't scores goals, and win the games :P

hello all,
after a little analysis of both team, it's seems to be an open game.
both team can win and it wouldn't surprise anyone.

the young fans today pay much attention to fans activity and how much hooligans they are,
poor kids - let it be....(in both sides)
i hope you win in every thing, and we in the field.

wisla past it's better then the actual team, and i don't see how it could be change in the future.
beitar team, is in big progress on the last 3 years, and i'm sure that in few years more, we will
be a very good team.

each one of you, that think that we are only "a team" to next round, are making a big mistake.
you don't now that kopenhagen lost 1-0 in tedy ,and they scored only in extra time...
it will be a 50-50 game, and hope that the better team win(US!).

{FUCK ALL THE RACIST AND ANTISEMITISM!}

I said very clearly that Polish football is pathetic and Polish clubs (that also includes Legia) don't mean anything on the European stage. They have been losing to almost everyone in recent years, Legia, Wisla, Lech, Cracovia etc. you name it and they all have had quite a few embarassing loses to their name. That's how weak Polish clubs are, everyone knows that. We're slowly appraching the level of Cyprus or San Marino. I'm not trying to bash Wisla and make Legia look good. In fact, in recent years Legia sucked way more than Wisla losing twice to Austria Wienna, FC Zurich, and even to Vetra Wilno. They've been losing to everyone, but that just proves how bad our football is! By the way, the game between Legia and Vetra ended after the first half (0:2) before the fans ran on the field and almost got Legia kicked out of Europe for years. The two teams never played full 90 minutes.

The point I'm trying to make is that Polish clubs and league are one of the worst in Europe. Our league is corrupt beyond most people's imagination, most of our stadiums look like from third world countries, our coaches and players perform at a laughable level, at the end of every season the top clubs sell their best players to richer foreign teams and then buy (or get for free because they don't want to spend any money) players in their place who aren't even half as good. Every year our teams suck more and more and the gap between us and the top European football is growing rapidly.

What I'm saying is very harsh and shocking but that's the truth. I know you would prefer Beitar fans not to know about the real level of Wisla, Legia and other teams, about the gigantic corruption (over 120 people arrested since 2005!) and the lack of money for decent players (so far Wisla lost 3 good players - Dudka, Paulista, Kokoszka and didn't buy anyone in their place, you guys only got Singlar because he was free) and countless other things. I'm just trying to spare you another disappointing experience in Europe, because Beitar is a clear favorite here and you will most likely not even play in the UEFA Cup. If you somehow manage to beat them I will consider that a miracle. After all I don't know how anyone rational can expect Wisla, a club that spends zero money on new players, to win over Beitar, a club with a budget twice as high that spends millions of Euro on new players.

P.S.
That's all I have to say, now you guys can go back to bragging about hooligans in front of Beitar fans. After all, that's all there is left, you can't brag about your triumphs in Europe, so you try to impress your enemy by showing how many scumbags attend your games. And you're somehow proud of it. The more violent idiots on the stands wearing ski masks like some terrorists the better. Pathetic.

well... Shum will have to take a serious care for this fact, we have slow defense and it is bad against a striker like him
your football is like our football, that's all i have to say

in this u are right yey i going to the game that at teddy!!! yey!!!

Before few minutes there was an attack in Jerusalem, I really hope that a management of the league of the champion you will not pass the game to Cyprus like in the past. That/because in the cases like these with certainty Oisla will pass us easily

I doubt it very much. At least you had a team in the Champions League in the last 10 years. We have not had a team in the Champions League for the last 12 years. That's how pathetic polish football has become.

Pioneer it was comment to a corruption issue not the CL results.

u demostrated it in WW II when we hided u in our homes!

Pioneer,
so, if your football it's so bad, how can you explain your national team success?
of course that they were pathetic in the last euro, but at least you were there.
i now that there is a difference between the local teams and the national team,
but i think that usually, the national team it's a mirror of the local football.

i still think that it's an open game, the clubs are very equals...
btw:
my grand father and mother came from Warsaw, so obviously i'll prefer legia...:lol:

And what did the Poles demonstrate letting Hitler take over the entire country and kill non-Jewish Poles? Are you that retarded or what? Study some history you silly little girl and learn about the influences of Jewish people on the Polish culture before the war.

Stop with the political and historical bullshit! Posts like that should be removed from these boards and their authors given a warning. This has nothing to do with football.

And it's not "hided" but "hid" for God's sake.

Fucking kids.

:evil:

The national team is a different story. As long as we had Polish coaches on our national team we had never qualified for Euro in the entire history of Polish football. Not once. We then hired Dutchman Leo Beenhakker and he somehow managed to create a team consisting of players from abroad and Polish league and convice them that they could do it. They played well and they did it, but then of course failed miserably at the tournament. So to answer your question, it took the involvement of somebody like Leo Beenhakker to qualify for Euro. We would not have done it without him.
I don't think the fact that our country played at Euro is a positive reflection of our league in any way, even though few of the players were in fact from the Polish league. The key players on our team all play abroad, not in Poland, and our best striker Ebi Smolarek is a product of the Dutch training system as he grew up and trained in the Netherlands.

And how is your goalkeeper? Is he experienced or rather unsafe? Does he make stupid mistakes? Is he better in defending at the goal line or rather in fighting in the air?

That a Legia fan doesn't know much about the position of teams in Europe doesn't surprise me. After all, if you somehow play a European match you concentrate rather on devastating your rival's stadium than on football. But at least you could not equalize your Legia with Wisła. There are 14 points in the league that stress the difference. It's really childish that you Legia fans come to our forum and act like trolls in front of our European competitors just to make up for your frustrations after losing the league. Get a life, Pioneer. That's all I have to tell you.

whatever, that`s the same sh....

Poland didn`t let Hitler to killing Jewish. That cowards (jude) let it by themselves. Poland is a country of HEROES! We won with the nazi , we stopped the comunizm... We are proud of our history! Without us u could be a shit, so get on your knees, pray to God hoping that he's listenin and kiss my toe !

damn, struggling with Jews never stops


what a punks.....


btw. I hope we gonna crush them , and hang their ass on the Xmass- tree :]

At first, while he just came to us, he was unstable, but after a few fixtures he came back to a really good form and save us a lot from embarassing goals.

I can tell you that i trust him more then our defense' players, but I know that not every Beitar fan would say that.

jagoda you're an idiot
sorry for this such a moron are hopelessly everywhere...

Who really cares?
Geez, its a football match, not a war.
stop writing crap like that..

our goalkeeper join us a year ago.
he did 2 critical errors last year against kopenhagen, and because of that we lose.
since than, he became our best player also with arik benado(CB) in defense.
i'm sure that his performance now will be much better.

jagoda
i'm really feel sorry for you and mostly for your parents that educated you like that,
and also engry with those school teachers that let you escape from class, and because of
that you are so noob.go study something before posting garbage.

in one thing i agree with you, the jewsh people were cowards, but you were much more.
i have a big feeling that the seconf league will be only for the protocol, so i think that you
will hang you own ass(in your specific case, alone....).

I'm not frustrated about losing the league. Not one bit. Why do you keep insisting that I'm frustrated when I am not? I think you're more frustrated about my posts and blowing your cover than I am about Legia losing the league. Some people on these boards wanted Wisla to come off as a formidable team still capable of playing at the level of Parma, Schalke, Lazio games but that is plain stupid. I say it like it is, if there is any frustration in my posts it's the frustration with the state of Polish football in general, not Legia losing the league to Wisla.

Let me remain you we are supposed to talk about football here, about Beitar - Wisla duels and all the stuff involved - such as teams, coaches, stadia, supporters, visiting Jerusalem, prices, safety, hotels and so forth. Please, do try to refrain from talking about past wars as well as from analysing Wisla - Legia mutual affection :D
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There're about 2500 threads in Polish. In this room we speak English.

Listen up u little scum,
polish nation cant read shite like this:



how dare u write here bullshits like "Jews Hools"???

get some degrre and after this come back here, then u can write something smart, but remember don't make an ass of oneself and don`t comment polish heroes!

About our best players, you've asked not to say all of them, but unfortunately that is the case. We simply do not have any stars in our team, most of the players represent an equal level. The main strength of Wisła is teamplay with a little bit of magic from every player from time to time.

If I would have to pick the best player in Wisła, I would also say Brożek, he's simply a complete striker, with strength, speed, creativity, technique, dribbling, first touch, shot, head and the abbility to snif out chances. He only lacks composure, but luckily for us, not in the important games.

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=AjOa-2...eature=related

Just imagine...it could be a bus full of Wisla players or supporters :-/
I suspect, it wouldn`t be unjustified to see if there is an possibilty of moving the game somewhere else.

By the way, is it true that Beitar`s owner, Mr.Arkadij Gajdamak is a men who can`t travel nowhere beside Israel and US, due to a be in demand of Interpol ?
What sort of bad things has he done then ?

Ok, I can understand that jagoda posted some bullshit, but please - don't get so low and try not to write posts on same level of ignorance. It was so easy to defend while being raped both from west and east, right? So easy to defend w/o any help from so called allies? It was so easy to help all persecuted Jewsand get the biggest number of sprawiedliwy wśrod narodów świata* Chasid Umot ha-Olam from all occupied countries (and the only one where the penalty for that was death? NO. So pls write about football, not bout the alleged anti-semitism that our country is suppose to be full of.
As Dorotja said - this is the topic bout footbal - all post bout history, politics shall be deleted (mine as well). Back to the game it will be hard, both teams are strong and focused on getting to the 3rd round, but Beitar and it's owner seems to be more gritty to get that aim. Best option for us would be the relocation of the game to Cyprus. First game w/o Teddfy fanatics and the second on our ground is always a handicap.

@Eustachy - he's suspected of arms dealing in Africa - Lord of War ;)

*I don't have time now to search for english version, sorry for that

All i know that he is wanted in France.
about the bus today, our police won't let any one of you to get hurt - they know what they do, and with the security around you, i don't believe that something bad will happen to you.
hapoel's fan, we didn't touch anyone from copenhagen'fs fans