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BENE NATI!!!!

Barcelona!!!

Wisła Kraków - FC Barcelona (8.8.2001) Q3
Frankowski (38) - http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=ffsNKl6opno
all goals: http://wisla-video.diinoweb.com/file...Barcelona_3-4/

Let's say together "goodbye" to champions league. Now it's all about UEFA Cup.

Agree. but it will be amazing to play against them :-)

disagree :) No matter which team goes through, it's a bloody distant city for all of us. So what pleasure is it, when for the second time I won't be able to follow my team (of course only IF we get over Beitar, which- to calm you guys down- is not so obvious)?
Besides, they have 90 000 seats and NO SUPPORTERS. If you win with us (tfu tfu), I am even willing to support you against them.

cracow is bloody distant and expensive city for all of us too, but still around 50 fans will fly to there. meeting Barcelona is a dream for almost every fan, especially beitar jerusalem fans. I'm sure IF we will win you, tickets for teddy will end after 2 hours.

In one hand being in champion leauge is a dream, but playing against barcelona in israel is dream as well. I rather lose to barcelona instead losting to other team and not to qualify to champion leauge. UEFA cup is fine for me, but anyway lets wait for our second game and may the best win.

I'm also quite sure wisla karkow fans are excited to meet barcelona :) Messi vs our shity defense LOL .

I think most of us would prefer FBK Kaunas or BATE Borysow instead :) I'd rather get through this one time, than lose against Barcelona again, no matter if the fight is to be beautiful. But on the other hand, I always liked UEFA Cup more- it's less about money, more about football.
Still- we'll know what to think about on wensday evening.

Very tough draw for the winner of Beitar Jerusalem - Wisla Cracow tie. Barcelona are clear and almost sure favourites to go through. Hopefully Wisla will win second leg and advance, because UEFA Cup is needed here in Cracow like oxygen for human.

oh god why?!???!?!?!?!??

Messi is in Bejing!

http://sport.interia.pl/wiadomosci-d...aelu,1155965,6

watch the movie..

Big professionalism! (no, it's not our driver :D)

Messi will be in beijing only at the first match, second game he will play. Guess this is one of the reasons they wanted to play outside as first match

Well.. I see Faith in Wislas and Beitars fans just blossom after the last draw.. Why tha f*ck are you so scared
to play against this bunch of Catalans?? Doesn't the last EURO finals ring a bell? There are No too strong
teams in Europe anymore. Today's Very different than, let's say - ten years ago. The gap is simply not that
damn huge anymore. Anything can happen.

And you say that having seen performances of Polish teams in recent years? :) I know that Barca is far from top form (at least last season...), but let's be honest. It's not 2001, I doubt we could repeat a "glorious loss" we had back then. Not in the way we played just 2 days back- you could be more realistic.
PS: I actually don't care about the 3rd round, I just wish to get there. Maybe egoistic, but it's more probable that I would be able to go to a game of UEFA Cup, than Champions League. So winning against Barcelona might be a nice surprise, but I don't find it essential and don't plan future celebrations yet. Althoguh my first thought just after noon was "hmm, so we'll just get through Barcelona and we're in!".

@Mishuh: Dude, have you forgot already our "glorious" battle against Dinamo?.. Or, how the great
Portugal was supposed to crush us in Euro qualifiers?.. Or, how we were supposed to crush Armenia for
Christ sakes !?.. It is The Real World. It is Not Football Manager. In Real World anything Can happen.
Being a realist sucks - it is still an illusion, because Nobody knows what will happen. If there was a way to
predict it - there wasn't be any point in playing the whole freaking game..

Yeah, I remmeber some of those games pretty good and can't agree a bit. If you even dare to compare Wisla to Barca in terms of proffesionalism, then we're on different planets. Wisla made a real shit of itself with Dinamo. I don't know who told you that Portugal was suppsoed to crush us, I haven't heard it. Just like I haven't heard of crushing Armenia, they've prooven to be a difficult rival in Poland and made an advantage in Erewan, just like they did to other teams in the group. Your examples proove ignorance and nothing else.
By the way- life is more brutal than FM, cause I've never had problems winning the UEFA Cup with Wisla there, while I suffered most when losing to 2nd league teams in Polish Cup :P

And I think you're exagerrating a bit :) Being realistic doesn't stop me from wishing the best to Wisla, but it wouldn't really bother me that much if wisla lost against Barcelona and I just realize this is the more probable option. It doesn't mean I have no faith, don't worry. But let's get back to Beitar, we'll have time for this chit chat if we get through Israelis.

I think Timmy's right. The gap between teams from different countries isn't as big as it used to be lets say in the late 90's. Not only did the less developed countries catch up with western Europe in terms of infrastructer, training and so on, but also todays "stars" can not be compared to players from the 90's, not to mention real stars like Pele, Platini, Cruyf, Beckenbauer or Boniek. To prove it, see that many players from the 90's generation not only play in top teams, but they are also stars there: Scholes, Giggs, Del Piero, Seedorf, Makelele even fat Ronaldo, who suffered from many serious injuries, still could teach these "stars" a thing or two.
Ofcourse we are not the favourites to win the tie against Barcelona, but they are a broken team with no spirit( I think that is what distincts the past and present footballers, these days football platers are more tabloid starlets and mercenaries than real sportsmen) and a whole lot of new players. I think that we have better chances than last time, when we had to face players like Rivaldo and Kluivert and we had Franz on our bench, and still we lost the home game due to a referee error. To win a tie against Barcelona would require a lot of faith and ambition from our players, but I still think it is possible to beat Barcelona.

Although I am writing from a Wisła fan point of view, meaning that I believe that Wisła will advance, what I've written concerns both Wisła and Beitar.

wohoo, how brave polish people can be. sending me mails over the forum with racist comments, especially this stupid paparapa.

Anyway, even if Barcelona is not good as before 2-3 years they are still 2 times better than wisla and Beitar jerusalem, even with the lineup B they will win us. seriously, there is no chance Barcelona won't qualify, it's always good to dream and have goals but winning them and qualify to champion leauge aspires to 0.

Barcelona changed "face", nowadays they have young and new coach, new young and hungry players who wants to win as much as possible, espeically champion leauge.

hehehehe.

Nice,to hear it.

Yeah, I can see Boniek teach Makelele.... dream on. reality has changed. but one thing that hasn't hanged is the level of Polish teams. Period. for me. This year we're examining the possibility of advancing to the 3rd round. It used to be the minimum option. Judge yourself but next year, if we meet Nova Gorica or dDomzale, we might feel quite the same. Does it mean European football is more equal? No, it means we suck more than 2-3 years before, because we stand in one place, while the rest is moving on, meaning most of Balkans, post-soviet teams, etc. With all due respet to Beitar, but a few years back, we wouldn't even care for a match against them.
I never said wining against Barcelona is impossible, I just don't see this year's Wisla do it.

6th is day they (beitar) die!

Only Wiselka!

III Round CL: Barcelona - WISŁA !!

Well I don't like Boniek too much as a person not to mention his coaching achievements, but you can not deny that he was a great player one of the best of his times.
About us standing still or even going backwards, that is a fact that I can not deny. Still I believed after the first half of the rematch with Saragossa, so now I've got no other choice than to believe that Wisła will beat both Beitar and Barcelona.

Actually, we agree on the subject above. Beneith you see one thing that makes me support any of the teams that advances from our pair.
http://www.sport.pl/pilka/1,65057,55...kcewazymy.html
I just cannot stand ignorance like this and I hope they would have to easen up with statements like this one.

Ok I'll rephrase my question, I've read some wikipedia article on you guys, but still I don't get how could you make a strictly jewish club in Jerusalem in 1936 as at that time there was no Israel, and Jewish players had to play in diaspora clubs in Europe? And to make that clear, I don't want to make fun of you nor to insult you, I'm simply curious.

good one, you got me curious as well.

After Wiki:
"Two Jerusalemites, David Horn and Shmuel Kirschstein, decided in 1936 to form a local football team. David Horn was the local chief of Betar, the youth movement of the Revisionist (liberal nationalist) Party, a pre-statehood Zionist movement. To this day Beitar fans are generally identified with that movement's successor party, the Likud or other right-wing groups. The leaders of the youth federation saw this as a project to produce a football club with Beitar's self-defined qualities of Hadar (self-respect) and Hod (glory). The earliest squad was composed entirely of Beitar youth members, including a future government minister, Chaim Corfu. They played initially at the "banana field" close to Beitar youth group's "nest"."

A confirmation or denial maybe?

wich channal is going to broadcast the game in poland???
and if there is already, does it playing live on the internet to?

its very important because until now any channal in israel didn't buy the rights of this game!!

thanks!

In 1906 there was no Poland yet Wisła was a strictly polish club.

If I remember correctly between 1920 and 1948 Palestine was in fact a British Mandate.
In 1920s Jews started migrating to Palestine, and that migration increased as a reslut of Third Reich politics.
I think it makes perfect sense.

Puyol vs coccoloko hahahaha :rotfl:

TVP2 is the name. They could put the game on iTVP.pl afterwards (I wouldn't be sure though), but not live.

Cheer up bros!

Next season changes in CL tournament will be effective! That means 22 teams will qualify directly plus 5 champions will enter the tournament by sepperate route.

This means Wisla wont face third place teams from Spain, Italy etc. but champions like Beitar or Dinamo Zagreb on the final step before the group stage...

Platini undertook this new changes because Champions League doesn't have enough... Champions :)

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl...id=736447.html

is it true that he will miss the game against us? if yes, he is important player for your team or you have a good replacement for him?

u cannot watch ITVP streams from outside Poland, so it's nothing to him.
go to soccer-live.pl if u want to watch Wisla - Beitar, Mr Eshtaga.
Check - poniedzialek-piatek on the right side -> http://soccer-live.pl/transmisje.php?id=pon-pia

it will be there for sure from monday i think

No we don't have good replacement for Him,You won with Us 10-0 in Kraków and we afraid to much of Your support :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

wohoo, you are so funny. damn, You should start take this job as comedian very seriously. "you won with us" and after you say why our English skills are so bad ( and my english is pretty suck tbh ) - you're pathetic.

now seriously, can I get an answer if he will play or NOT 100% ?

@Bjerusalem: No, Arek won't play against you

Please - do not come to our forum and call some one pathetic! You are a guest here!

On the other hand you can come to Krakow and say we're pathetic right in our faces - this will show you really mean it ;)

On the other-other hand you shouldn't... cause Wisla fans do not tolerate insults!

Btw Glowacki is out Junior Diaz will replace him

I know that I'm a guest over here, but you should give atleast minor respect to your guests. I'm not starting to insults or flame you, but some of your fans start and you can see that, plus they sent me mails and so on, and that is quite disapointed.

I'm sure the ones who will fly to Krakow will do what ever they know and want without really afraid from your "hooligans", you can always try it out and see what will happen so please do not start with this silly threaten.

About This Diaz, he left wisla to french team at the beginning of the season no? or probably it's other player o0.

I'm not sure if the ones who will fly to Krakow are aware of what is going on here. I know I am talking to Israelis here, people who live at risk 24/7, but still... I definately am not a hooligan, but wouldn't advice boasting around the city. Not after the mess you did here. ("you" refers to some Beitar fans, not all).

The player you mean who left to France is Dudka. Diaz is relatively fresh and though he has never shown world-class ksills, he has proven to have potential.

First of all, Be sure I'm more safety and chilling than you, so please don't listen to all the media who is writing bullshit about israel. I have no idea what you are talking about and which mess some Beitar fans did - please explain more about that, Because our fans fly will get to Krakow only one day/few hours before the match. but maybe this is your opponent that try to make "provocation", I seriously hope all this opponents fans of yours won't buy tickets to Beitar seats.